r/canadaguns • u/[deleted] • Dec 29 '21

Public Transit (Specifically in Ontario) and Firearms Transportation

Hey Friends,

This has been covered before but at a time when the climate was a little cooler, so to speak.
The reason for transporting the firearms in this case would be "to go to the range and then home".

My research dictates that it is not strictly illegal to transport guns via public transit where local laws do not directly prohibit them, but even if my exploration of the topic is hypothetical, I like to vet my findings.

Does anyone know of any law prohibiting firearms transportation on transit?Is there anything specific to Restricted firearms that would prohibit it?I have been unable to find anything explicit on either, but am interested in other interpretations.

The TTC outright bans all firearms transportation.

UBER bans firearms "as far as it is applicable by law"

The GO system has a clause that says a proper authority "may refuse passage or remove from the system" anyone with a firearm (literally handled the same as a drunk person, according to GO policy)

The GO transit breakdown

I am aware of the 1993 case in which a very foolish man took a loaded .22 onto the transit system and made a very bad joke to a transit authority and was arrested and charged as a result. I am not talking about this sort of behavior, I am inquiring about a hypothetical situation in which someone behaving normally attempts to transport a restricted or non-restricted firearm locked in a hard sided case with a trigger lock and who comports themselves well.

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Dec 30 '21

Ask the judge. Or at least the attorney.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '21

Is it really considered concealed if you put it in a locked case with a trigger lock (as per regulations) and then put that in a bag?
One would think it was just sensible behavior for lugging around a now bulky object.

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Dec 30 '21 edited Dec 30 '21

I see the problem people without cats face, but the transit system can typically write the rules for their vehicles.

Depends on the judge.

Edit: cars

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '21

My question wasn't facetious, I am actually asking if it has been ruled that a gun case in a bag is concealed versus a gun case in the hand.

We have agreed that a gun case does not always obviously contain a gun already.
In Felewka it was ruled it was concealed because it was not in a case but instead in a jacket, so I am wondering about in a case (as per restricted transport laws) in a bag.

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Dec 30 '21

The really weird part is the recommendation in the law is that the gun case be locked in the trunk, but not a requirement. i.e. pickup truck or motorcycle

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '21

It's like... Is the gun not already "concealed" in a case in the optical sense?
Felewka suggests that the law believes gun cases are self-evident (or should be) but we know the reality is that they are pretty darn nondescript...

Is concealement about intent or optics? Pretty ill-defined in our laws IMO.

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u/Beretta_errata removeddit pro Dec 30 '21

Our laws are ill conceived knee-jerk reactions to a vocal minority.