How some Canadians companies stand by their product.

[u/cdn_sentry117]

With Sterling Arms standing up for themselves against the prohibited classification the RCMP put on the R9, and winning, it got me thinking about the Crusader Arms Crypto. Those guys came out with a rifle that met the new laws, then pumped out a bunch of beyond subpar rifles with worse than Chinese QC. Made a pile of cash and as soon as it was banned, did nothing to stand up for their product. Instead created another piece of garbage.

Not to just bash CA (well, maybe a little, actually a lot), we now have seen what a good Canadian firearms manufacturer does. Makes a product, stands by it, then fights for it. Their win, to me anyway, shows what companies we should actually support.

After CA removed their website, blocks peoples comments on Instagram that comment the issues they have with their new Backland Hunter rifles I am genuinely shocked anyone can still support them by giving them a dime.

Anyway, I'm kind of curious what other people's thoughts are on CA doing nothing to fight for the rifle they developed, that also being a fight for their customers base. Especially now that we have seen Sterling Arms having being successful with their R9 reclassification. Will this maybe get them to take a stance for the crypto classification?

[u/GodsGiftToWrenching]

I don't think the Crypto will get reclassified, It's, and let's be real here, it's an AR-15 with a proprietary mag well and recievers, recivers, mind you, have altered cam pin pocket dimensions which leads to catastrophic failures in the form of the bolt locking in place from premature cam pin movement.

And the shadyness from Cringesader is nothing new, even when their Gen 1 POS teemplar rifles were out people would call them out for khyber pass quality and soviet war time machining as well as operational failures, and same thing, they would delete and block anything negative about them online. I remember one guy ordering his gen 2 Templar from cringesader, full price of course, and when they send him the rifle the machining was rough, fit and finish was really bad as in unfinished edges, patchy coating, as well as apprentice marks all over the thing, laser engraving being off of center on parts, and when he reached out to Cringesader saying essentially " wtf why did you charge me full price for an absolute blemish model, I would like a partial refund in lieu of a blemish model discount or a new better QC rifle" Cringesader essentially told him to pound sand and that their sad excuse of finishing is just what it do.

And one more point, it's really cool the R9 is getting declassified as a pistol and the RC9 is awaiting it's FRT status, but I kinda hoped that the R9 being declassified would have been the end sterling in Canada... only because JR Cox is the leader of the whole operation and he got the Swiss Arms Classic Green and CZ 858 banned just because he was jealous and wanted to be the sole importer of them instead of his old business partners (who kicked him out) being the primary importers of said arms

[u/cdn_sentry117 → u/GodsGiftToWrenching]

I've never heard of this issue on him getting stuff banned? Can you explain it to me?

[u/GodsGiftToWrenching → u/cdn_sentry117]

Yeah so pretty much he was kicked out is CSC because he was difficult to work with. Then CSC started importing the Classic Green and cz 858. Jr Cox was pissed at thst and he wanted to be the majority importer but of course CSC said sucks to suck just be another importer, so Jr modified a classic green and cz 858 to become full auto and reported it to the rcmp to which the rcmp said " oh shit these can be altered" and then changed the classic green and 858 to prohibited status. The Classic Green did get a classification reversal shortly before the 2020 bans since it actually took a very extensive not easy process to convert to full auto. But yeah instead of being another importer he got them banned, JR was hurting canadian firearms owners long before the 202 bans

[u/Agitated-Choice2456 → u/GodsGiftToWrenching]

You forgot a very important detail… Both stores imported the Claasic Green and CZ 858 but used separate sources. The RCMP took sample rifles from CSC and the Shooting Edge. Both were examined and the ones from the Shooting Edge were converted from full auto, the ones from CSC could not.

[u/chaoz2001 → u/GodsGiftToWrenching]

Wasn't TSE around for years before CSC?

[u/Scott-YYC → u/chaoz2001]

It sure was, and JR was never at CSC.

[u/h3IIfir3pho3nix → u/cdn_sentry117]

From my reply to another user:

The Shooting Edge tried to claim that the Calgary Shooting Centre (rival store) had imported Swiss Arms rifles that were converted auto. They went so far as to report them to the CFO.

The kicker was, the CSC rifles were fully compliant. The rifles The Shooting Edge brought in were actually converted autos. So, in an attempt to throw their rivals under the bus, they ended up getting the rifle banned because they screwed up on their own import.

So yeah, fuck JR and any company he's associated with. I don't begrudge people for buying the R9, there aren't many semi autos left, but he won't get a dime from me.