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[u/hungbeastfromtheeast]

I saw a post on here about a bunch of international students doing some dumb shit with guns, Listen your either anti gun or pro gun, and a lot of people in this sub sound like their pro gun for their race but anti gun for other races, the right to bear arms is a "god given right to all man kind" you don't fight stupid gun laws by cussing out people in your own hobby. don't use the excuse that the optics are bad, you owning a shotgun in Toronto is bad optics no matter what licence you have, we got to stick together and teach each other and fight to remove these fubar gun laws like why the fuck can't u use a firearm in your vehicle?maybe question that because a lot of you sound like poly in that post

[u/FunkyFrunkle → u/hungbeastfromtheeast]

You’re not going to win a fight against overly restrictive gun laws by posting antagonistic and vaguely threatening/confrontational bullshit involving firearms on social media like those guys did either. If that’s your idea of helping, you’re doing incalculable damage to the cause and this “you’re either for or against us” approach makes you look like a confrontational mouthpiece that doesn’t understand the concept of nuance.

A bunch of dudes hanging out of the back of a vehicle holding rifles up in the air while larping as bunch of rag-tag rebels is going to look terrible regardless of race and yeah, I will shit on people for that because it does look terrible and you’re going to leave people with an even worse taste in their mouth than you just simply owning a shotgun in urban Toronto. What we ought to be doing as a community is broadening support by making it approachable in ways that people can relate to, not deepening it with the same diehard people by passing shit off like this as acceptable. We’re not expanding by doing that, we’re just alienating potential support.

People seem to have trouble understanding that just because someone likes the same thing you do doesn’t necessarily mean they’re allies to the cause. You don’t want to associate with people who are shitty ambassadors to the community like those guys. There are some people who like guns that I wouldn’t want to really associate with because they’re obnoxious, ignorant and inflammatory enthusiasts who are not only going to get themselves in trouble, but you too.

These guys are shitty ambassadors not because of their race. It has absolutely nothing to do with their race, it has everything to do with how they’re portraying themselves with guns in Canada. Our success and survival depends on the amount of support we win or lose. Pulling stunts like these guys did will not only drain our support, but instead shift it to the prohibitionists who will seize upon that support to ban more shit.

So no, sorry, it looks terrible when anyone does it. This time around, it happened to be people of a particular ethnicity but it doesn’t change the salient point of how it looks. It would look just as bad with a bunch of white dudes with bandannas and sunglasses holding rifles in the air out of a vehicle as it does with a bunch of middle-eastern or Indian people wearing shemaghs and sunglasses. Associating with people like that makes us look like lunatics and is just the kind of ammunition Poly needs to save the buyback from the edge of political extinction. It’s also a good way to get a visit from the cops.

They absolutely could pin you with careless use or brandishing for doing shit like this because it looks bad enough. A judge may use the latitude that’s afforded to them to do it, and they don’t have a sense of humour typically. Good luck arguing your interpretation of “god given rights” in court.

I also wouldn’t really go around saying things like “The right to bear arms” in a Canadian context regardless if you think they’re “god given” rights or not. You’re going to sound like an American or wannabe-American who knows nothing about Canadian laws and people, especially now, LOVE to attack you for it. I’ve seen countless people try to argue tooth and nail for the exact same belief and it has never once found a receptive audience outside of our own echo chamber. As a result, I’ve never once argued from this point of view because it’s been a complete waste of time in 100% of the instances I’ve watched it happen.

I would also recommend using proper spelling and punctuation when engaging in debate because people do notice when you type like a 12 year old and it’s frustrating to watch an otherwise good sound argument completely dismissed because the people think they’re arguing with a caveman. Not meant to be perceived as an attack on you, just a suggestion. Bad writing is just giving the other person an escape hatch to dismiss you completely and it makes you look uneducated.

You’re not going save gun ownership in Canada by excusing shit like this and defending irresponsible dickheads just because they’re “gun owners”. Strength in numbers doesn’t mean fuck all if you start lowering standards and welcoming dangerous people into the community.

You’ll always be judged by the company you keep.

[u/Natural_Comparison21 → u/FunkyFrunkle]

While I generally am okay with some spelling and grammar mistakes on a Reddit post a line does exist. If you want to sound well articulated take a minute to read a comment over and proof read. It takes all of a few minutes max to do so.

[u/hungbeastfromtheeast → u/FunkyFrunkle]

I don't agree with you, and your mentality is the reason guns are going in Canada, look past the Grammer bub, y'all in this sub are pathetic I've been here 4 years and all that's happened is you guys jack each other off in the politics sub masterdebating with each other but never do anything in real life to improve Canadian gun culture your a lost cause and you cant even see it

[u/Natural_Comparison21 → u/hungbeastfromtheeast]

My guy if you think improving Canadian gun culture is people shooting at bridges then I don't know what to tell you. Actively filming yourself doing illegal shit is stupid. You can talk about how it's stupid all you like and even in another comment I agreed with you. However that doesn't change the fact that they are filming themselves committing a crime which is a very very dumb thing to be doing.