r/canadaguns • u/Hmfic_48 • 29d ago

News / Politics / Activism Scarborough resident charged after firing gun during attempted car theft

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2026/08/19/scarborough-resident-charged-firing-gun-vehicle-theft-toronto-police/
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u/steeleclipse2 29d ago

"...a resident of the home fired a gun during the encounter. The suspects fled before officers arrived."

Soooooo, it worked, right? Fucking Canada.

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 29d ago

I mean im a gun owner and I think we should have self defense laws but I think because our system discouraged the use of firearms for the purpose people are not taught how and when the use shoukd apply.

For example, a lot of people don't understand how most rounds will just go through siding and drywall like it isn't there. Ironically 223. 22lr or bird Is actually better in tests because it breaks up but when most people think self defense (or in this case property protection) they think 9mm or buck shot.

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u/splooges 29d ago

Ironically 223. 22lr or bird Is actually better in tests because it breaks up but when most people think self defense (or in this case property protection) they think 9mm or buck shot.

Agreed, this is a huge myth that many people believe, even amongst gun enthusiasts. Obviously this depends on the specific bullet being used, but people automatically assume that 223/556 over-penetrates but the truth is that a higher velocity and a lighter bullet translates to over-expansion and less penetration vs a slower, bigger 9mm bullet.

Even hunters get this wrong - most automatically assume that more speed = more penetration when the opposite is generally true.

Its one of the reasons why virtually every SWAT/ERT team has replaced their SMGs with 223/556 SBRs.

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u/613mitch 29d ago

Run of the mill 5.56 will definitely over penetrate (multiple) standard modern build walls almost consistently across the board. Almost everything from 22lr up will as well - in order to avoid this you'd need to spend a lot of time testing loads, projectile weights and constructions and barrel length to get something both effective on the intended targets and relatively safe for the environment it's being used in - and even then, it may not cycle well.

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u/splooges 29d ago

Yeah, dry wall doesnt stop anything. But I imagine if you shoot 223 Vmax varmint ammo you'll over-penetrate less, without compromising cycle/rifle function.