American here with a few questions

[u/CapThePunch98]

I'm not trying to gloat or anything like that, just genuinely curious about Canadians and how they're feeling about guns, gun rights, and gun purchases. You guys were clearly given the shaft when it comes to guns.

Question 1: I see a lot of comments here passing up on $900 SKS's or Carmel's because they're a ripoff. Why not spend a little extra to get your hands on a semi-automatic rifle since the vast majority of them are banned? I feel like I would if I were in your shoes. 22's are just cope imo.

Question 2: how sacred are guns to the average user here?

Question 3: how is morale? Do you guys have hope for the future? If a conservative PM wins, do you think he'll unban a lot of shit?

[u/The_King_of_Canada]

I dont know what you mean by a majority of semi auto guns are banned and im assuming you dont either. .22s are for plinking and gopher hunting. Our gun culture is practical not a cope.

How sacred are guns? Theyre guns. Theyre things. The guns dont matter the history and cutlture and the sport matters. You americans need to stop pretending your 2nd amendment is anything more than a way for alt right nutjobs to get votes and NRA funding.

Morale? Why do you speak like we're soliders? Morale is low and noncompliance is high. Of course theres hope. Theres a supreme court case coming up and mass non-compliance will prove the OICs and handgun freeze to be a waste of time, money, and political capital.

For the conservative party to win they need a leader thats not complete shit. If PP wins we'd be just a little less fucked than you yanks are right now.

Also the idea of gun rights is really dumb. Saying you need the governments permission to overthrow the government is foolish and redundant.

[u/warlock_barack → u/The_King_of_Canada]

Why is the idea of gun rights dumb? You're taking a hostile view towards the politicization of gun culture, but your government fired first when it decided to politicize against law-biding gun owners and carry out the will of a select few in Quebec and Montreal.

If the government didn't politicize the issue, you wouldn't have ended up with the OIC bans or bill C-21, because the so-called "compromises" (i.e., capitulations) of the 1990s already dramatically increased vetting of gun owners, and 85% of current handgun crime is conducted with illegally possessed firearms. Efficacious policy would address circulating, unregistered crime guns and their prohibited possessors.

Clearly, your pragmatic gun culture, as you might frame it, has not protected your community from relentless political attacks. What you need is politicization, a firm line in the sand, to stop further erosion.

If anything, you could learn from us Americans. We have fought and fought, in every court and legislature in our land, to retain our rights and it's still a difficult, oftentimes uphill struggle. Ask yourself this: if you don't even have the gun crime problems of the United States, why is your government so eager to disarm you?

The truth of the matter is: the PAL framework, the magazine restrictions, and most every other restriction you had even before 2020 are bullshit. You've just been so whipped and so caned by your lecturing politicians that the idea of having the freedom your grandfathers had gives you the feeling of resentment, because in lieu of that you would only have sadness and regret.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/warlock_barack]

What are you american? Why the fuck are you here? Canadian gun subs are for Canadians not american trolls spewing idiotic american rhetoric.

You're taking a hostile view towards the politicization of gun culture

You guys are proof that more guns = more crime and violence. Are you trying to say that guns aren't political? EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL. Are you detached from reality?

because the so-called "compromises" (i.e., capitulations) of the 1990s already dramatically increased vetting of gun owners, and 85% of current handgun crime is conducted with illegally possessed firearms. Efficacious policy would address circulating, unregistered crime guns and their prohibited possessors.

Yea agreed. But it's not your place to say.

has not protected your community from relentless political attacks

What it has accomplished is a lower crime rate than you guys.

What you need is politicization, a firm line in the sand, to stop further erosion.

And we will do it without americans sticking their noses, their money, and their shit politics into it.

Ask yourself this: if you don't even have the gun crime problems of the United States, why is your government so eager to disarm you?

This is typical american rhetoric. They aren't trying to disarm us. They are trying to appease special interest groups with money.

If anything, you could learn from us Americans.

Fucking lol. Learn what? How to elect a sex offender? How to strip your peoples of every freedom in the books? A woman in Florida was arrested for terrorism for saying deny defend depose your next to her insurance company.

Flock surveillance cameras are scanning faces, cars, license plates, and identifying features of every vehicle and person in your country to track everybody's movement.

People say the UK is the knife crime capital of the world but american knife crime per capita is nearly double. Tack on top of that gun crime and your country has the WORST crime rates of any developed nation and even some developing nations.

You speak of freedom yet your country hasn't ranked top 10 in the international freedom index in my lifetime.

You've fought? You haven't fought shit. You're a keyboard warrior. The NRA won lawsuits and then immediately shit on your own gun owners regarding bumpstocks and suppressors in Trumps first term.

Fuck the 2nd amendment doesn't make any sense. Seriously why do you need the federal governments permission to overthrow the federal government? Isn't it's very existence redundant? Doesn't it set the bar so low that your politicians can get elected just by saying they protect gun rights? Then if you try to use those "rights" to rush the Capitol or shoot Trump those same politicians hide behind their armed security while they cut you down.

Can you americans grow up and realize that you don't actually have gun rights?

Still I would rather suffer our politics surrounding this hobby, this one aspect of my life, that I love than deal with the shitstorm that you guys have down south.

[u/CapThePunch98 → u/The_King_of_Canada]

I love reading comments like this. It only reaffirms to me how much Canadians like you need to shit on our politics in order to cope with your even shittier politics.

You're not actually mad at the US. You're mad at your own government, but you need to project. I get it dude.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/CapThePunch98]

Your president keeps threatening to annex us which means he would kill or maim my brother who serves in the military.

I know exactly who I'm fucking mad at. Your country needs to be restarted.

[u/CapThePunch98 → u/The_King_of_Canada]

Your own government is more anti-Canada than the US is lol

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/CapThePunch98]

Well one thing is clear. You have no idea what your talking about.