Handgun Ban & SCC

[u/Individual_Dare_2722]

I am seeing mixed messaging on here and wanted to get some clarification. Would the handgun freeze be lifted if CCFR wins at the Supreme Court of Canada? I thought the handgun freeze was a law now, and so that would be unaffected if the OICs were overturned?

Therefore the only way to actually acquire handguns in the future would be if a new government came in and removed the law.

Please correct me wherever necessary here

[u/TurbulentEconomist65]

You would need a conservative majority most likely to repeal C21 and tbh I doubt the optics of removing a handgun ban is high on their priority list.

[u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 → u/[deleted]]

Ya a full reversal would require a very popular and confident CPC government, most likely in their 2nd mandate since I suspect when the cons do eventually get backing power they will be very careful to make sure they are able to get elected again, and unfortunately making handguns legal again is they kind of hysterical nonsense the LPC will be looking for, even though a freeze should be able to thaw you would think lol?

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/Remarkable_Vanilla34]

Yea and a popular and confident CPC government isnt in sight at the moment. Its all pp and bleeding MPs to the LPC. Shit if they just stopped the attack ads for 2 minutes they would look less like a barking, shaking dog and project some confidence.

[u/VoilaVoilaWashington → u/The_King_of_Canada]

The federal conservatives have a problem, and it was on full display recently.

Alberta conservatives are the party's base. They show up to elect the leader. And PP is popular among that set. But you don't win elections by playing to your base, and in Canada, you don't win an election in the prairies.

The Conservatives need to win Ontario and Quebec (combined, like, 65% of the Canadian population). And Ontario and Quebec are very different conservatives from the prairies, and each other.

The liberals are fine, they can mash together broadly centrist ideas, take from both sides, and anything that's too far left, leave it to the NDP.

The conservatives, on the other hand, merged the Reform party with the progressive conservatives. They have the centre right and the right right (or as the prairie conservatives would say, the properly right people and the leftists in blue clothing). They're trying to win Ontario and Quebec with ideas from the prairies.

Poilievre won the leadership race in Calgary with a massive majority. But that means nothing when he has to play to Toronto and Montreal.

[u/EmotionalCheezies → u/[deleted]]

My guess is they'll increase the amount of exceptions. Like an overall "Sports Shooter" catagory you can file for that only requires you having a range membership and allowing more than just .22. Granted I have no idea how hard it would be to broaden the range with how the law is written.

[u/Xaxxus → u/TurbulentEconomist65]

Aren’t handguns not actually banned? Just the sale of them frozen?

I don’t recall any changes to my licence to indicate the grandfathering of them.

Couldn’t a new government just make new “acceptable” uses of handguns to circumvent c-21?

[u/IAMURBUNKLE]

Hand gun ban is in law. Need a new government to repeal c-21. 

[u/Barbarian_818 → u/IAMURBUNKLE]

Not just a new executive administration though. You'd need a majority in Parliament and the Senate. A majority that actually cares enough to do it.

Right, Left or Centrist, governments have a very poor track record for repealing legislation. Doubly so when the legislation in question is perceived to only affect a minority.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/Barbarian_818]

Yea typically if a law survives a supreme court challenge theres little reason to repeal it.

[u/AverageVancouverite]

The handgun ban is in the law in C-21, not the OICs. To the best of my understanding, the CCFR Supreme Court case is about the OICs, so if they are successful, this would only be for the OIC'd firearms (stuff like the GSG-15, some M1 variants, Kel Tec SU-16, Type 81, etc.).

[u/outline8668]

Correct the handgun ban has nothing to do with the SCC case.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/[deleted]]

Well no. Criminals cant get whatever they want. Thats more illegal.

[u/FailedCoder86 → u/[deleted]]

They didn’t take handguns away from people that owned them. They banned the transfer of handguns.

[u/Barabarabbit → u/FailedCoder86]

That just phases them out after a generation or so

[u/PrairieBiologist]

The handgun ban is never going to end. It’s law now. Only a conservative majority could repeal it and they would need a lot of political capital to make it a priority and that’s just not going to happen because they know they already have gun owners in the bag.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/PrairieBiologist]

That and the CPC isnt going to get a majority. Not with pp in charge. Mans got no substance.

[u/Responsible-Car915]

Just buy a 7mm pinfire for $500 and convert to cap and ball duh. No Pal required.

[u/me456me]

Why is No one talking about the police still rolling around with 9 mm ans ar 15 rifels why do thay need them if no one else can have them seems more like prison guards rather then law enforcement. Cops wouldn't have to worrie about there safety if thay weren't carrying the weight of thousands of offecer evolved deths you can't actually find the number because thay won't relece it but starting keeping track in the 2000s but it's defiantly over couple thousand while a total of about 78 rcmp have died from guns since its inception 1920 seems like we are the ones that should be carried guns for our protection from them.but is crazy to say thay shouldn't have guns now isn't this what a totalitarian goverment would do has done is doing ?

[u/eldaniay → u/me456me]

bro what is this spelling

[u/One_Salary_9068]

It will neverrrrrrrrrrrr come back as before. NEVER.

[u/CenturionV → u/One_Salary_9068]

They said the same about the long gun registry. There are countries that were communist 35 years ago where you can go in and buy an ar-15 and take it out the same day today. Younger generations are more conservative and less afraid of firearms or susceptible to moral hysterics than any previous generations so I'm hopeful, even if it takes a decade we get them back and possibly more.

[u/CamelopardalisKramer → u/One_Salary_9068]

Not sure why you are being so downvoted, unfortunately to think otherwise is high level copium.

[u/One_Salary_9068 → u/CamelopardalisKramer]

Tks Bro 💓