r/canadaguns • u/AutoModerator • May 25 '26

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u/Cock_ball_dickin May 25 '26

Becoming a gun owner has led me to support Quebec separatism. Get them gone, Nathalie please leave too. You guys can make your own gun free utopia and the rest of us can keep our guns in peace. It’s a win win!

I’m joking. I don’t actually support that, and I deeply feel for Quebec gun owners. You guys are at the forefront of our cause. I think what I really hope is that Poly gets the mental health support that they genuinely need, and the liberals need to wisen up and stop pushing for unpopular ridiculous infringements on people’s property. THATS a win win.

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u/FunkyFrunkle May 26 '26

I’ve heard it said that this program is only popular in Montreal. Outside of Montreal in more rural areas it completely drops off in terms of support.

Ironic that a gun ban is most popular in a mob-run city.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 26 '26

If you believe the government's data, it like, only 4% of Quebecois who support this nonsense. So more like specific areas of Montreal.

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u/Cock_ball_dickin May 26 '26

This. It’s unironically just a tiny portion of the populace, nation wide too, no one supports this

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u/FunkyFrunkle May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26

This is perhaps one of the most annoying aspects of this whole debacle for me personally. It was literally a very small, vocal minority in Montreal that decided it wasn’t satisfied with the Firearms Act rewrite after all, and then promptly embarked on a crusade against a community that spans the entire country because they saw an opportunity to push more laws with all of the media attention U.S. mass shootings were receiving.

It’s a small, highly visible group that have this inflated sense of self-righteousness that somehow gives them the moral authority to dictate what everyone else should do from their point of view. This is also coming from a province that already has an outsized influence on Canadian politics, just behind Ontario.

It’s annoying. It’s frustrating and it is personal. How could it not be? I play by the rules. I worked hard for my money and sold years off of my life expectancy as a welder to be able to own these things and make a living. Some of these things represent my only physical connection to family members past and you’re seriously going to put your finger in my face like I’m the one who’s done something wrong, like I’m the one who’s responsible for what happened to you and tell me that I’m the one who has to surrender my shit? You’re going to tell me that I don’t know what’s good for me?

With all due respect, go yell at the people who smuggle guns into the country. Go yell at the people who don’t have a PAL and buy those guns on the street so that they can use them to harass and terrorize other people.

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u/gamercast1337 May 27 '26

Dont forget they are literally getting paid BY the federal government to in turn lobby the government. 

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u/Cock_ball_dickin May 26 '26

Honestly it kinda adds up. I’m a leftist, and most Canadian leftists I meet either don’t care either way about guns or are ironically pro gun (I’m talking real leftists, not liberals or even NDP). All of them from Montreal are just liberal larpers who are indoctrinated to hate guns and believe in bullshit

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 27 '26

I’m a leftist, and most Canadian leftists I meet either don’t care either way about guns or are ironically pro gun

I used to call myself leftist as well, until I very recently realized I was actually a bit syncretic, and way to pragmatic or jaded to really call myself a genuine leftist anymore. Because I never really was in the first place.

I'd say I'm more center-left, with some left-wing (or even "far-left" depending on who you ask) ideas, and a few of center and center-right ideas.

I’m talking real leftists

Depending on who you ask, this either means Revolutionary Marxists or Social Anarchists, it's one or the other. No in between, not both.

I'd hardly count on the former being universally pro-gun/owner post revolution.

All of them from Montreal are just liberal larpers who are indoctrinated to hate guns and believe in bullshit

Indoctrinated is a bit of a stretch.

I would say social trauma and ptsd play a much larger role for some, and the polite society nonsense we all grew up with for others. Not to mention the, "F U, I got mine!" mentality that's so prevalent in our corporate/capital/consumerism ridden dystopia. Also the lack of general empathy, a thing which studies show to be on the rise. The world is growing into a throughly pessimistic society, it isn't a surprise that fear of gun owners is a part of that. Revenge plays a part or Poly and their supporters too.

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u/Nilotaus May 29 '26

Revolutionary Marxists

This pretty much now means tankies and in turn, right-wing authoritarians with the worship of the likes of aleksandr dugan & ironically enough, donald trump with "MAGA communism". If I were a member in a left-oriented group IRL, I would make sure that these types of people do not worm their way into any position and do my damnedest to push out any that have manged to embed themselves, because they pose a genuine threat to the safety of marginalized & vulnerable members of a group like what's already happened with r*pe allegations in the psl & related groups. Strangely enough, the people that would be victimized by these dark-triad types worship them dearly instead of outright scorning them and reject even hard-evidence that proves otherwise. It's just like trying to pull people out of a cult.

If you want more insight, find and read foundations of geopoltics, the muscovian psyop already succeed by getting trump elected for his first term in coopting & puppeteering the republican party in the united states(which was honestly like shooting fish in a barrel) & various right-wing parties in other parts of the world, so now they're focusing their efforts in infiltrating assorted left-wing orgs & groups, with varying success but fractured ties between these groups serves these psyop conductors better than cohesive communication & organization anyways.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26

This is true, and a fine (as in very good) analysis. I do think it's within expectation that those Revolutionary Marxists have ran to Dugan though.

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u/Nilotaus May 31 '26

kinda random, but here's a fun one: if you haven't before, read Max Stirner before Marx's Das Kapital, or whichever one has the "On German Ideology" chapter. "Stirner's critics" then "The Unique & it's property/Der Enzige"

That entire chapter is practically dedicated to the whole of milk-man's work. Truly a waste of Engel's money that would've been better in Stirner's hands.

I do think this it's within expectation that those Revolutionary Marxists have run to Dugan though.

anyways: A fair bit was started by troll farms near the kremlin, but there's a decent amount that do truly, uncritically think, "usa bad therefore it's opponents are good" and end up supporting nations like russia despite being lgbtq+ themselves and russia outright labeling their entire identity as a "terrorism". Meanwhile these PMC guys are in Mali to protect the mineral extraction operations they got going over there and you'll never guess what they named themselves.

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u/RydNightwish May 27 '26

If Tommy Lukazuk out in AB is prepared to do and does the one thing the country he is campaigning for won't, namely financially compensate me for 20K of lost property if we lose the SCC, then maybe I can be swayed back.

canada with a small c turned its back on me in 2020, 23, 24 and only offered a "wanna go to jail or go home" solution. Ill gladly watch it crumble since its clearly hell bent on seeing me burn first.

This has gone too far and too long. Poly deserves no help, no support, no understanding and no sympathy. Full fucking stop. Sorry for the language mods but in this one instance its absolutely warranted.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26

I knew that after I became a gun owner, because of my rather syncretic beliefs, that I wouldn't be welcomed anywhere in particular. I knew very specifically that the major population centers of Quebec would be a hassle (Toronto too I suppose).

I'm not going to lie, an irrational part of my brain really likes the idea of Quebec Separatism but only for Quebec City and Montreal. Is that stupid? You bet, but it is a thought that amuses me.

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 26 '26

I think Canada makes more sense closer to a Swiss-style confederation for this reason.

There's zero reason anyone in Montreal should be making laws for me, and if Montreal will always vote one way in opposition to the entire rest of the province, why should they get a veto over what the rest of the province wants?

I think that if one area always votes one way, and the rest of that area always votes another way, that it's a very clear sign they shouldn't be making laws that dictate the culture either should have.

"Because it's tradition" is not a valid argument.

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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 May 27 '26

I think Canada makes more sense closer to a Swiss-style confederation for this reason.

"Swiss-Style confederation" just means an actual confederation.

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down May 27 '26

While their system is admirable, it's also tailored to the Swiss people.

Canadians are not the Swiss.

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u/ConstructionOk4528 May 27 '26

Quebec is not a real place it's filled with grey haired liberal women that speak French, they remind me of my elementary school French teacher she was also a grey haired liberal that spoke French because of her I now dislike Quebec