r/canadaguns • u/Kid-On-Reddit- • Apr 19 '26

News / Politics / Activism Canadian veteran sues U.S. gunmaker over career-ending injury

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.7169145
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u/matthew_py Apr 19 '26

P320 gonna p320. This is a well known issue, the fact they haven't been pulled from service is shocking

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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26

So it actually depends on the P320, the issue with the going off comes from differences in parts tolerances primarily with parts sourced from Indian factories as I understand it. The CAF ones have no such parts and are thus not prone to the issue but people think P320 = P320. The issue with this case specifically is the member in question used an unapproved custom holster for the P320 that allows their finger to be in the trigger guard while holstered. I doubt they will win the case as the gun would’ve been inspected by a qualified technician and any gun issue would’ve been flagged.

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u/Nilotaus Apr 20 '26

No, anyone who says the FCU upgrade fixes everything is either lying or an idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about. SIG updating the manual for the p320 to instruct the user to never carry it barney-loaded should've been a huge red-flag for everyone paying attention.

in short: Glock has not one BUT THREE SAFETY FEATURES that prevent a unintentional discharge, a p320 barely has one.

A manual safety or trigger dingus will not fix it either, the problem was never there in the first place. Take a look at the firing pin design, that's where the fault lies it's an aftermarket part here specifically but it's good enough to get the point across as it's %99 identical and yes I chose an image of a grey guns part specifically for a reason.

Not only is that firing pin spring fully compressed and therefor fully cocking the firing pin when you rack the slide, that black L-shaped piece on the left of that image is the only thing that prevents UD's and OOB's to an extent. If the tolerances for any of the pieces involved in the slide assembly are even slightly off, the potential for unintended discharges is very high and due to the nature of MIM which that firing pin is made out of, a handgun that was once safe will eventually wear into an unsafe condition the more it is shot or even dry-fired. No amount of fiddle-fucking with any of FCU-related parts will fix it because it never could in the first place.

Now, compare the p320 to a Glock, notice the circular silver-coloured piece at the rear of the firing pin hole? That's the safety plunger that prevents the firing pin from striking a chambered round when the slide is not fully in battery. Not only must a glock trigger take the partially cocked firing pin and pull it into the fully cocked position, it also must depress the safety plunger before the pistol can successfully fire a round, the firing pin/striker can't do anything otherwise if it somehow gets pulled back without the plunger being pushed out of the way. This is on top of the trigger dingus needing to be pressed before the trigger will move rearward.

Glocks do have MIM parts as well, but there's a difference between what parts are metal-injected and the fucking MBA-brainrot bordering on deliberate sabotage going on at SIG for them to put forth an inherently flawed pistol design.

It's almost as if Gaston Glock knew what the fuck he was doing when he made his pistol, holy fucking shitballs but I guess having a trigger pull that's consistent every time is gross for some reason so we gotta fuck all that up and get people maimed or even killed so we can have triggers that can be set off by a mouse fart or just by moving weird.

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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26

None of what you said changes the fact a qualified technician inspected the pistol and found no mechanical faults or reasons for it to just discharge and ruled it a user error. The issue with the sig is 100% due to the trigger bar and striker not being machined correct to tolerances due to poor quality control that doesn’t affect the C22. See Hilton Hicks report.

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u/Nilotaus Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26

and to reiterate: that doesn't change the fact that the P320 no matter in what variation is an inherently flawed design. There's no getting around it. I wouldn't place much trust in it just because it's designated as "C22/C24" here.

Could it be better with fire control group parts that are milled out on a CNC machine instead of MIM'd? Perhaps, but I would still be leery & doubtful that it would have as long of a service interval compared to a Glock.

Also "Qualified Technician" doesn't mean shit, if there isn't any vetting to find ties of any kind to SIG in any shape or form, he can be some random hobo picked off the street for all I care.

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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26

If you don’t trust a Weapons Technician trained on the C22 platform with the sig technical books idk what to tell ya 🤷🏼‍♂️ time will tell what happens with the law suit but I bet it gets tossed

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u/Nilotaus Apr 20 '26

SIG USA has a history of bribing, intimidation & extortion since Ron Cohen took over as CEO and the faults of the P320 & other products began to emerge.

If you can't put 2 and 2 together, then I don't know what to tell you.

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u/RagTagPig Apr 20 '26

Any source for that? Tried to google it but can’t find anything at all about Sig Bribery except a Reddit post from a meme subreddit which I wouldn’t take as gospel at all.

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u/Nilotaus Apr 20 '26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbMfzLbU_Xg

Ben has covered the SIGcidents a fair bit and mentioned a couple of people were offered tours but I can't remember which one specifically, if you want to shove your head in the sand and keep downvoting the truth then by all means. However you like your fish fucked my dude.

Jerry Miculuk's daughter ditching SIG should be a big clue to the fucking shit show the company is.