r/canadaguns • u/Callie7680 • Apr 19 '26

News / Politics / Activism Genuinely curious on liberal views of gun laws

Hello all. Looking for a debate on the other side of all of the gun laws / bans from a liberal point of view. How does it ACTUALLY make sense to liberals with the current laws. C21 was passed with hopes of lowering crime? How is that going? The OIC. How has the crime rate gone since? How are these “liberal experts” in power thinking this is actually going to make a difference? Canada could 100% ban every single firearm and gun crime would not go down 1 bit. I don’t really know any liberals to talk about it with I’d actually like to hear their side on it. I’m clearly not an expert on any of this but it just seems so ridiculous

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 19 '26

I don't think there is anything in the conservative platform about ending abortion rights or pushing conversion therapy.  They wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. They aren't after a ban on gay marriage either.

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u/GoGetInvolved Apr 19 '26

There isn't. It's so weird to see people justifying voting against CPC because of issues that they said they won't touch and didn't touch last time they were in power, but also that the things the Liberals are actually doing and have done every single time they got power are things the Liberals won't keep doing if they vote for them again just one more time.

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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 19 '26

The fact that at the leadership convention they wouldn't speak out against it. It still lives within the cons.

The very issue with the cons and why they won't form government in Canada. They are an amalgamation of the far right and centre right. Because of the fear of losing that added support they just keep it entertained.

Similar to NDP/liberal dividing the left. Though with this recent election we saw the NDP lose support in strategic voting to help the liberals to ensure the cons wouldn't win. Because that far right rhetoric still lives in the party.

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 19 '26

It still lives, but it doesn't influence the official party position. They aren't ending abortion rights or taking any other extreme action that would hurt their position. 

The Liberals, on the other hand, do allow extreme actions like banning firearms.

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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 19 '26

They haven't had the opportunity to enact such extremes.

I wouldn't rule out them trying it if they had a majority. They might not get any outright ban but they'd definitely try and limit access. Just like they'd absolutely look into limiting access to maid.

When as a party or party leader you won't outright denounce said ideology you support its existence.

As I said in another comment, the current cons are an amalgamation of far right and centre right. And as long as that be the case the discussions around maid, trans, gay and abortion rights will continue to live within the party.

A centre right party could easily win a majority, a party with far right echoes though, not very likely in Canada.

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u/GoGetInvolved Apr 19 '26

This was a talking point under Harper who was an actual pro-life person and he didn't limit it. They said he'd do it when he's elected then that he'll do it when he's elected again then that he'll do it when he gets a majority then that the party will do it when they're elected again.

He didn't.

And Poilievre is pro-choice.

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 19 '26

"When as a party or party leader you won't outright denounce said ideology you support its existence" Getting liberals to denounce terrorist organizations is like pulling teeth.  They must support terrorists, then, right??

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Apr 19 '26

The fact that at the leadership convention they wouldn't speak out against it

Oh, just like the sexism and racism at the NDP leadership convention? (Which the LPC is just a milder version of?)

why they won't form government in Canada

Because the Easterners, and Boomers more specifically, would rather have sexism and racism than reform (or "standing up to Trump" for short). There's really nothing else to say.

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u/ComplexQuiet6790 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

There are absolutely undercurrents of transphobia in current conservative talking points. 

As recently as March of this year, PP was embracing JK Rowling's bathroom bans on trans people. 

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Apr 19 '26

Ok, now extend that to the average LPC voter, who is more likely than average to believe the existence of guns is gynophobic.

In fact, their lobbying arm constantly claims this (and is named after an event where the perpetrator claimed to be acting on this). Yeah, it's shut up more recently because most recent mass shooters have been women [or rather, to not claim they're women would be said by those same women to be transphobic; I'm happy to indulge this own-goal]- but it's still there in the background.

We can play word games about "pHobiC" all day long, but at the end of the day there are reasonable asks and unreasonable ones. An act is not illegitimate just because it made some loud group very mad, which is also what LPC gun-banners say about us- all we're asking is for a little fairness.

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u/ComplexQuiet6790 Apr 19 '26

The false equivalence is strong in you. 

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Apr 19 '26

No, you're just mad about the fact that words mean things, and don't like your privilege being called out.

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u/ComplexQuiet6790 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? 

I'll wait for your data, as requested. But since it doesn't exist...

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u/ComplexQuiet6790 Apr 19 '26

Please point to your statistics about recent mass shooters. I'll happily change my opinion if proven wrong, but the preponderance of mass shooters remain white men. It's just that the majority has changed from something like 95% to 85%. 

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Apr 19 '26

white men

I'm sorry, what does race have to do with it? I mean, I get that LPCers/modern conservatives [they call themselves something else though] are just flat out racist against this group but I figured it would have taken you at least a couple of comments to get there.

Anyway, the pattern of what makes a mass shooter is more along the lines of "disaffected young person is depressed, finds a support group or some purpose to latch onto (and/or starts taking anti-depressants, so the no-energy problem is fixed), and the first thing they do is go out and sacrifice their life for The Cause".

Back in the Before Times we had far more pro-social causes that someone looking for purpose could latch onto, which is part of why mass shootings in the name of "I hate group X" are mostly a modern phenomenon. Now we don't, so this happens more often in the name of what the dominant "I hate" is at the time.

It's just that the majority has changed from something like 95% to 85%.

100% of the mass shooters in Canada since 2022 have been female. Or rather, the dominant "I hate" has become "normal people" after that time.

Not that it ever wasn't, of course.

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u/Sharp_Phrase_9066 Apr 19 '26

wront. that was JK's not supporting transgenders in Olympic Games. I don't know why liberal voters are enjoying men beating up men beating up women in Olympic Games.

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 19 '26

It was the race wars for me. There’s not a single data point that hints South Asians commit more crime, but they kept pushing that narrative. I know Canadians of South Asian descent that have been shot because of how much they brainwashed people by pushing a bogus narrative and highlighting anecdotal data as the norm. It’s disgusting, and I hope they pay for their crimes.

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 20 '26

You know people (plural) who have been shot just because they are brown?  Right.  Sure you do.

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 20 '26

Wasn’t there one 2 weeks ago in Alberta, again?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fatal-shooting-singh-9.7136695

I love this delusion you folk live in. This is why you can’t have nice things.

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 20 '26

Nice try.  "RCMP say no evidence the shooting is racially motivated".

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/birinder-singh-homicide-shooting-9.7150336

You guys will scream racism at the drop of a hat.  But if someone mentions a pattern in crime stats related to a minority you want them thrown in jail.

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 20 '26

If it’s any consolation, the RCMP also says there was no involvement from the Indian government in the Nijjar killing, so your sudden change of heart for the RCMP is kinda weird.

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 20 '26

You don't know my thoughts on any of that but thanks for trying your carnival esp cold read.

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 20 '26

It doesn’t take much to read your thoughts, bud! “You” may be an anecdotal data point, but Canadian conservative racism has spread far and wide!

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 20 '26

And you're a card carrying liberal who wishes he was at that latest NDP convention so you could have patched over. Go acknowledge the land you live on but balk at giving it up.  Lol

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 20 '26

It’s a hard no for the NDP from me. I don’t vote based on political affiliation. If the CPC could come up with as much as a semblance of a plan, I would’ve given it a second look. All we got were pathetic 3 letter slogans. We needed a fiscal conservative at the helm and Carney fit the bill, period. I couldn’t care less what party was in power as long as it’s a competent one. We were all tired of Trudeau and I accept that. I only wish people would use their intelligence to vote and not run off to every cockamamie rage bait campaign their party put out.

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 20 '26

And if you read the case, it’s fairly obvious what It is. Yeah, I’ve seen how people treat people of colour at the neighborhood range, so save your stories for someone who doesn’t pay attention to what you say or do. I bring up “Indian or South Asian Indian” in front of my conservative friends and they literally lose their shit. We weren’t born yesterday you know?

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u/niagaragagarafalls Apr 20 '26

Again, "You guys will scream racism at the drop of a hat."  Thanks

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u/Sweetchildofmine88 Apr 20 '26

LMAO! You mean the Canadian racism the entire world is making fun of? There’s comedians in Czechia that’s making fun of this. My god, man!