The Logistics of Confiscation

[u/rastamasta45]

I’d imagine they are now actually trying to plan how to collect the rifles.

Let’s look at the numbers.

Apparently declarations will be reviewed till May. From May to October they need to collect 370 guns every single day without weekend or holidays to make it before the amnesty.

That’s 15 rifles collected every hour without a break.

It takes about 20 minutes to verify and secure a rifle according to TPS. This comes out to 22,333 man hours of labour or 930 days of man hours of labour.

There is 182 days before amnesty expires.

These labour hours do not include transpiration to and from said firearm.

According to the Federal police association, they haven’t even been informed what vehicles they will be using or if they’re even obtained yet.

According to Gemini Public Safety Canada needs about 250 to 400 full time trained staff for the next 6 months working on this to pull it off. These individuals will have to be located or deployed across Canada, which means food and lodging needs to be covered.

Considering they’ve already blown the budget, not sure how they will pay these people.

Public Safety Canada needs to recruit up to 400 retired or odd duty officers, provided up to 60 to 100 full time vans operating full time. Public safety Canada would have to fuel up the van when gas is expected explode this spring / summer.

I’m legitimately wondering….what is going on in their minds when thinking about this task?

Or perhaps they’ll approve Quebec only, decline everyone else and tell them pound sand say they succeeded?

What’s everyone’s thoughts?

[u/Remarkable_Vanilla34]

Also, its possible people see "buy back" and believe its like a US buy back lol. It's unlikely but people who are not registered may show up to turn guns in they don't want or can't have. The LPC intentionally used this name for the program because they knew uninformed people would assume these guns are illegal or unwanted and the program was like the US. It would be hilarious if they have illegal guns turned in and have to deal with them, or they have old ladies showing up with trunk full of their dead husbands guns.

Another quick thought, if you bought your gun second hand, you can't be assured that it wasn't used for crime by the previous owner, our government believes we are all criminals in waiting, so while as far as i know, they are not sending any of these guns to forensics, it would not surprise me if they did, and it's a pseudo science at best. You are turning in a firearm to these people, you don't know where it will end up. Maybe it goes to a lab and they decide its a crime gun. Its unlikely but its just another reason not to participate. The program requires blind trust in a government with very little transparency and long sorted history with Firearms owners. Tomorrow Provost could be the Public safety minister for all we know.

[u/rastamasta45 → u/Remarkable_Vanilla34]

Everything you said is correct and I 100% expect the government to fuck up collection and ruin the lives of people who are participating. As you said gun owners aren’t they’re friends, you think provost would ever say “oh we messed up, but you complied” not a fat Gary cheek chance. They’ll say it’s your fault for even owning a gun and this is the punishment you deserve for ever buying one. They’ll use people whose lives are ruined for COMPLYING as an example of why you should ever have a gun or pal.

[u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 → u/rastamasta45]

I've been warning people about this from the beginning. There is always chance your not immune to criminal charges just because you comply, your making a leap of faith that this ridiculous, slapped together program is going to run smoothly. The consequences of an error on their part can mean serious legal issues. One day your complying in hopes of some sort of reimbursement, the next your drowning in legal debt fighting prohibited weapons charges in court.

The only people who will be willing to help administrate this either don't give a fuck and want an easy pay cheque, or their anti gun zealots who view you as a criminal. your loading a prohibited firearm into your car and handing it to them and assuming that they will do their due diligence.

On top of that your assuming the system itself runs correctly. I'm sure we all saw the viral screen shots of guns being valued at $2, that is mostly likely a bug, which means that the program already has had flaws. We are relying on human inputs into a potentially flawed system to get very important and particular information correct, and that information is what will be used to verify the firearm you submitted has been destroyed. If the amnesty is not extended or someone like Provost gets free reign over it, you really want to make sure that information is recorded the same as the declaration that was submitted.

The travel thing is a big deal as well, these guns are prohibited firearms, loading them into your car and moving them is a high risk activity for multiple reasons, make sure you have an ATT and know exactly how they need to be secured and stored before leaving your home and that you are authorized to return if you can't turn them in. The RCMP union already said this is one of their concerns, that some one will be reported for moving "assault" rifles and they will have to respond to a call and treat it as a legitimate threat.

[u/rastamasta45 → u/Remarkable_Vanilla34]

Not to mention the system they are relying on was deemed a success for managing 25 firearms over 6 weeks. They now have 67,000 for 26 weeks. This was not tested for this volume at all.

I 100% see people whose lives will be ruined, the LPC spinning them as criminals and they deserve it and just overall chaos….for complying.