The Logistics of Confiscation

[u/rastamasta45]

I’d imagine they are now actually trying to plan how to collect the rifles.

Let’s look at the numbers.

Apparently declarations will be reviewed till May. From May to October they need to collect 370 guns every single day without weekend or holidays to make it before the amnesty.

That’s 15 rifles collected every hour without a break.

It takes about 20 minutes to verify and secure a rifle according to TPS. This comes out to 22,333 man hours of labour or 930 days of man hours of labour.

There is 182 days before amnesty expires.

These labour hours do not include transpiration to and from said firearm.

According to the Federal police association, they haven’t even been informed what vehicles they will be using or if they’re even obtained yet.

According to Gemini Public Safety Canada needs about 250 to 400 full time trained staff for the next 6 months working on this to pull it off. These individuals will have to be located or deployed across Canada, which means food and lodging needs to be covered.

Considering they’ve already blown the budget, not sure how they will pay these people.

Public Safety Canada needs to recruit up to 400 retired or odd duty officers, provided up to 60 to 100 full time vans operating full time. Public safety Canada would have to fuel up the van when gas is expected explode this spring / summer.

I’m legitimately wondering….what is going on in their minds when thinking about this task?

Or perhaps they’ll approve Quebec only, decline everyone else and tell them pound sand say they succeeded?

What’s everyone’s thoughts?

[u/Agonizing-Stroke1812]

If they actually intend to go through with this they would probably just revoke RPALs for all known R->P holders that don't comply. Then your next interaction with the police will be spiced up. A lot of gun owners here at least in my neck of the woods (ON) are fairly family oriented and/or high net worth who wouldn't take that risk.

The compensation is just a nicety at this point. They have proven that they can do whatever they want really.

As for NR->P, I can only compare to the plenty of holdouts for the original Firearms Act. Eventually they die out, a sad but true reality.

[u/Mirin_Gains → u/Agonizing-Stroke1812]

Nothing will happen until the SCC is done with the case.

And with a new government can change things but only if we keep the pressure on.

They really can't do anythimg they want. There is a line that will push the regular public to the polls.

For most people out of sight out of mind right now. Arresting Uncle Joe and ICU Doc Sammy won't go over well.

[u/Fuck_you_all22 → u/Mirin_Gains]

3 more years of liberal majority and brain dead canadian voters. When will we see a new government if ever?

[u/Agonizing-Stroke1812 → u/Mirin_Gains]

They really can't do anythimg they want. There is a line that will push the regular public to the polls.

I'm very curious as to where exactly that line is considering the events that have transpired over the past decade. Given all of the other issues this country faces I would be truly shocked if gun law moved the needle at all

[u/Mirin_Gains → u/Agonizing-Stroke1812]

Wherever it may be, defeatism is a self fufilling philosophy.

[u/Agonizing-Stroke1812 → u/Mirin_Gains]

The platitudes are nice and all. Sadly I see nothing that makes me believe that things will improve. We will see

[u/Mirin_Gains → u/Agonizing-Stroke1812]

We've done it before. But it took consistent, long term pressure. Not everyone can handle that I admit.

This isn't directed specifically at you but people need to keep their own defeat to themselves.

[u/HappyCan7250 → u/Agonizing-Stroke1812]

A lot of us holdouts are young. This issue is gonna get dragged out for a LONG time then. I still have hope CPC will get in eventually. 

LPC provincially doesn't even exist in BC anymore basically after blowing up so badly in the earlier 2000s-2010s. I am hoping Carney will eventually ultimately bring about the downfall of the LPC. we might just have to live through one more term like what happened with Trudeau, before the whole country turns on them for once again, doing fuck all, like they always do. He's just still in his honeymoon phase and pumping out meaningless photo ops. The illusion of progress will eventually fade, as we're already seeing the pipeline can being kicked down the road like every other grand promise. Wait until he completely fucks up the USMCA negotiations too and really tanks the economy.

[u/Fuck_you_all22 → u/HappyCan7250]

Carney has an aura of moderate or pragmatist. He does not have stanch haters like trudeau did. We will see how he fxxxs up. But having seen trudeau kept getting elected scandal after scandal, i am wondering about the collective intelligence of canadian voters or the integrity of our elections.

[u/thisghy → u/Fuck_you_all22]

Canadians are majority left wing, majority complacent and majority stupid. They are just happy that their 'side' is in power and there is zero critical thought beyond that for a significant portion of the population. Its all about the feels, and right wing people are 'mean' so you cant vote for them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Fuck_you_all22]

He does not have stanch haters like trudeau did.

Well, not yet anyways. Give it a few years (or maybe more than a few... it took Trudeau about 6-7 years until the public was done with him).

[u/GoTakeaWalkinthePark → u/HappyCan7250]

Maybe the CPC will finally run an electable candidate next election

[u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 → u/GoTakeaWalkinthePark]

He shared a post celebrating poisoning gopher a couple days ago and i just shook my head. Like ya maybe farmers need this poison, I'm not a expert on the matter, but the optics of bragging and taking credit for it is just ridiculous. Like a lot of people don't understand the issue and will just see "conservatives push government to poison cute animals". Farmers know who to thank, why would you ever take credit for this publicly, like who is managing this guys PR.

[u/Fine-Tie2651 → u/[deleted]]

And yet only 40% of the 137k guns that were expected for the buyback were declared. So you’re objectively wrong.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

We don't even put criminals in jail. You would get community service at worst. Then apply for a pardon. Clean as a whistle again. My wife had a crime or 2 in the past. She's got her licence.