Today I learned…

[u/BeerGunsMusicFood]

The 1301 ghost ring sight housing is plastic. Mine came over torqued and cracked from the factory. Hairline crack through the housing in front of the front mounting screw. Haven’t even used it yet. Here’s hoping Stoeger can work quickly to replace this!

Unreal for a $2k+ firearm…

[u/ASpacebornVagabond]

I literally outshoot the m4 everytime I touch it, even after my arms are tired. It's not even that hard to do it once you can use push pull properly. My point was the 1301 is faster than the m4. That's just a fact. My point about my buddies having issues is that anecdotes happen (mentioned in another comment). Shit happens. When you make thousands of something there is bound to be issues even with the best QC. I beat the tar out of my 1301 and my rear sight is fine, some scratches on the side of the guard but the ghost ring is perfect.

1301>m4 literally no contest, price and performance wise. Quality being equal more or less.

[u/Happy_Sea4257 → u/ASpacebornVagabond]

Quality being equal really is stretching it when the whole gun was made to be light and less expensive in large part due to all the plastic used, the forearm spacer in the gas system, barrel clamp, magazine tube cover, ect. all break. The 1301 was a decent proposition when the cost cutting heavy usage of plastic was reflected in the price when first released, they were a great value at $900 USD new. Since they became popular Beretta has repeatedly jacked up the price to where they are often more than double that now. They're still a dressed up low end sporting clays gun quality wise.

They do have a faster cyclic speed i'll give them that, and they do point really nice because they are so light, but are absolutely nowhere near as well built.

Also straight out lmao at "literally outshoot the M4 everytime I touch it", documented split times put the cyclic rate is under .15 sec. So everytime you shoot it you're dumping off 6+ shots in a second? Literally every time? lel, ok Jerry. If that happens to be true post a video.

[u/ASpacebornVagabond → u/Happy_Sea4257]

Bro trying to say I'm Jerry because I can outshoot a sluggish m4 is wild. I have side by side compared the two, and have found the performance lacking in the m4. I'm an anecdote again, not the standard. All the alleged issues you've pointed out, I have not had after beating my gun relentlessly every Sunday for nearly a year.

I'd also like to point out, the m4 I have shot, was also outshot by a novice shotgun shooter. If the split times were really that fast, then the SPECIFIC m4 I have shot might be an outlier, again, an anecdote. I don't regularly see people having any of the issues you point out, and there's 6 of us I know that shoot them at my local range.

You won't change my mind and it shouldn't matter to you. The 1301 is just plain better imo. Again, I'm an anecdote, not the standard, it's my opinion, and your mileage may vary.

Christ Almighty but I didn't think I'd have to point that out a second time. Go take a shower man

[u/Happy_Sea4257 → u/ASpacebornVagabond]

"Plain better" because it cycles faster and you claim you can outrun one everytime you shoot it is a heavy stretch. Especially when if you're actually trying to make hits and not just make shells disappear it's irrelevant if there's any truth to what you're saying it's a substantial outlier because while the blink system does cycle faster (at the cost of increased recoil) the M4 is NOT a "sluggish" gun. They're both relatively quick for a self loading shotgun, the 1301 just leans really fast in that direction by reducing the mass of the reciprocating components, which is a tradeoff.

Anyways we're literally in a thread about the plastic parts the 1301 leans heavily into breaking, so, ya know.

[u/ASpacebornVagabond → u/Happy_Sea4257]

An over tightened part broke, you over tighten anything it can break. Not ops fault but it happens. And yes the specific one I shoot I put shoot it. And I can hit a target just fine doing it. You clearly don't train with shotguns very much if you think that's hard to do.

Chill out bud it's just an opinion.