During the 2020 bans, I donated 3.2k in total + membership since then. A lot of talking was done at the ranges, a lot of circlejerking in comments and online. They did what they could, aka nothing substantial, as they are “fighting” against a bottomless pile of money and power, but presenting yourself as a saviour is just wrong, when you know the odds
What "good" was supposed to happen? This was always a struggle and its amazing they got to the SCC. Don't blame the CCFR for not changing the LPC governments mind on gun control, the CPC lost, which limited the CCFRs influence.
I just live in reality, you think the CCFR owes you results and they don't and never promised you anything but to keep trying to fight the government, which is exactly what their delivering.
I hope most of these "people" criticizing the CCFR for not achieving unrealistic results in an unrealistic time frame are bots. I really don't want to believe that adults with PALs think that a grindingly slow, expensive system built by governments with all our resources could be quickly and inexpensively overturned with maximal results quickly. That would be delusional.
Maybe not use ai at least and don’t over inflate what they can actually accomplish? Maybe don’t circlejerk the same shit daily? Maybe you should reread the comment I made and cope a little better with this whole thing?
There is keeping up hope and deadass lying about what you can achieve, set proper expectations. You are expressing chud behaviour by trying to fight in comments with no clear end goal. Are you trying to convince me that ccfr is a good organization but I’m still dumb that I gave them money, even though my opinion changed after meeting with them at the range and seeing the “progress” over the years? Or that circlejerking and schizoposting on instagram is good for community? Check comments under those posts, any anti gun lobby can pull those and say that we are all demented, hateful goombas. Immediate results aren’t immediate if I wait for 6 years. I am keeping my membership, carrying my coin and hoping, but this whole thing was hopeless from the start
I don't feel the CCFR has ever lied or set unreasonable expectations. Can you give me an example.
My criticism is that you seem to have this strong frustration with the CCFR but you also feel duped for giving them money and not getting the results you wanted. My point is that entirely on you and not the CCFR. You set unreasonable expectations and are frustrate that a lobby group couldn't deliver the results you wanted. They don't control politicians, or judges or the outcome of elections.
The whole thing is not hopeless and its been 6 years, lol the government has failed for 6 year, and is currently failing again and this is finally being heard by the SCC.
One of the degenerates here reached out to Reddit suicide prevention team lol, once again just proves that ccfr is the organization worth its followers, keep schizoposting and failing to cope
The CCFR has done more than any elected official or any other organization fight this government the last ten years.
While I generally believe this to be true and I've been a member almost since their inception, I still think Tracy is a liability and I think they waste a lot of money on dumb things.
Dude. The LPC has been in power for ten years and won't even speak to any of the gun lobby groups. The CCFR or who ever can not change legislation, it can't over turn policy. All it can do is lobby and sue. And it does a much better job at it than any other organization. We wouldn't have gone to the federal court, the court of appeals or the SCC without the CCFR. No matter how little you think of them, that is just the reality, their the only organization doing the work.
All the stuff you want to see happen requires a government that is actually willing to work with affected parties, which the LPC are not. Its not the CCFRs fault.
If there is a viable alternative than I encourage you to support them. But being black pilled and shitting on the CCFR because they can't force a government that hates guns and gun owners to be reasonable is not productive.
Look at how this is going for the LPC. Its taken 6 years to get to this point and its failing spectacularly, and that is at least in part by the work of the CCFR.
What do you want to see them doing? What are your ideas? How would you force the LPC to back down?
I get that its frustrating, but its very bizarre to me that the CCFR is being criticized for not doing enough.
A lot of people seem to have this bizarre black-and-white view that we should support everything the CCFR does or say nothing. Nobody ever seems to consider the possibility that the CCFR could actually, I dunno, accept some of their criticism and improve as an advocacy organization? Wild concept, I know.
What do you want to see them doing? What are your ideas?
Better PR that actually appeals to the public at large, rather than people who are already on their side. Host range days and get members of the public to shoot guns under supervision and sign them up to take the CFSC. Fire Tracey, hire people who actually know how to do PR and advertising. Stop using histrionic, politically charged language. I don't think people inside the CCFR echochamber understand how obnoxious a lot of their content is to normal people.
The CCFR is the PETA of firearm rights organizations. Its messaging has no appeal to anyone who isn't already on their side, and the vast majority of their effort is spent drumming up donations to fund efforts to further drum up more donations, like their tour around the country to visit... gun shops, where they talked to a bunch of people who are already supporters. Like PETA, it's an organization that exists to perpetuate itself, and also like PETA it hasn't actually achieved any noteworthy political goal.
People in this thread and elsewhere basically say some variation of "well they're trying really hard." To which I say "who cares?" I don't give a shit about how hard they try or what their intentions are, I care about how good they are at their job, which by any objective standard is "not very".
After all that rambling, here's my question for you: since you clearly don't think that any progress on firearms rights is possible while the LPC is in charge, why bother donating to the CCFR at all, since their efforts are, in your view, totally hopeless under this government? Why not just donate that money to the CPC instead?
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 Mar 27 '26
Lol nothing to show. The CCFR has done more than any elected official or any other organization fight this government the last ten years.
I doubt you donated Thousands of dollars and if you did that would make you a fool.