Stand on Guard - Conservative Party of Canada

[u/GhostProtocolGaming]

https://www.conservative.ca/stand-on-guard-2/

The bill makes important changes to Section 34 of the Criminal Code so that force is presumed to be justified if used against an illegal intruder. Conservatives first announced the ‘Stand on Guard’ principle back in August, asking the government to introduce legislation in the fall session.

[u/The_King_of_Canada]

Immigrants are too often working blue collar jobs and vote conservative. This is a bad take.

Tell you what get the CPC to not elect an absolute shit trump lite leader who won't blow a 22 point lead and, i don't know actually acts patriotic and not just a sellout for US corporate interests and we can talk about them in a different context than the official opposition.

For fucks sakes this patronizing horseshit of legislation just shows that they aren't done the sensationalist pony show. PP was always just right wing trudeau and the CPC hasnt changed tactics since he resigned.

[u/Lumindan → u/The_King_of_Canada]

Tell you what get the CPC to not elect an absolute shit trump lite leader who won't blow a 22 point lead and, i don't know actually acts patriotic and not just a sellout for US corporate interests and we can talk about them in a different context than the official opposition.

I see this point being made as a smear against the conservatives constantly. If you really think the conservative leader is selling out the US while also cheering on a technocratic banker who is still supporting the companies that are actually crushing Canadian's livelihoods then I don't know what to say.

For fucks sakes this patronizing horseshit of legislation just shows that they aren't done the sensationalist pony show. PP was always just right wing trudeau and the CPC hasnt changed tactics since he resigned.

Just going to remind you we're currently in the midst of seeing multiple sensational feel good moves by the Liberals with no major benefits to the Canadian public. Did we forget the tax cut that won't help with groceries and only rack up our debt? Are we ignoring the current firearms confiscation / buyback that is literally just smoke and mirrors to create the illusion of public safety and buy quebec votes? Data surveillance laws in the name of safety? Exempting companies from laws in the name of productivity?

It's wild how hard people like you lose their shit at the Conservatives but they wouldn't be doing half the shit that's going on now.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/Lumindan]

If you really think the conservative leader is selling out the US while also cheering on a technocratic banker who is still supporting the companies that are actually crushing Canadian's livelihoods then I don't know what to say.

100% agree. But that's not something that the CPC will do anything about either. They will talk tax cuts for those same corporations and pretend that it'll trickle down to us while our cost of living increases, they mark up the goods even more, and their shareholders get excellent returns.

In order to keep the cost of living down we need public options that operate on a tiny profit margin where the priority is to generate cheaper goods. But that's a lefty idea and isn't going to get better under the Liberals or the Conservatives. Hell even Carneys grocery tax credit is just incentive for higher prices of goods.

All Pierre had to do was to stand with Canada against the US 51st rhetoric but he shut up for a week until polls told him what to do and keeps saying that a new trade deal should be the #1 priority as if Trump is going to stick to any trade deal.

Did we forget the tax cut that won't help with groceries and only rack up our debt?

I'll be honest I don't care about the debt. It's cheap to service and we can pay it off in a year if we actually want to but we're building infrastructure and upgrading our military and that isn't free.

Are we ignoring the current firearms confiscation / buyback that is literally just smoke and mirrors to create the illusion of public safety and buy quebec votes?

No. I know. And now Quebec isn't even complying and I have no idea why they're keeping this up. The only thing I can think of is money from the anti-gun groups.

Data surveillance laws in the name of safety? Exempting companies from laws in the name of productivity?

I don't know what you're referencing here. Source?

It's wild how hard people like you lose their shit at the Conservatives but they wouldn't be doing half the shit that's going on now.

I'm pissed because I used to vote Conservative. Now I have to swallow the buckets of hate against immigrants and LGBQT people for the same party that's trashing healthcare provincially, demonizing abortion again, going to sell of property that could be generating revenue and lowering taxes, and spewing the same 3 word slogans to tell me that Canada is the worst country in the world despite my eyes and ears telling me otherwise.

I lose my shit at the Conservatives because sense has seemed to leave the party and their goal is to win for the sake of winning and they'll do or say anything to get to that goal. They betrayed me of course I'm mad at them.

Feel free not to respond to every point you are most comments in my inbox.

[u/Lumindan → u/The_King_of_Canada]

You’re bundling a lot of claims together that don’t really hold up when you look at them individually. So let's go through them.

100% agree. But that's not something that the CPC will do anything about either. They will talk tax cuts for those same corporations and pretend that it'll trickle down to us while our cost of living increases, they mark up the goods even more, and their shareholders get excellent returns.

Corporate profits and grocery prices exploded under Liberal policy (Judge me by the price of groceries btw lol) as well, and policies like tax credits or subsidies often just funnel public money through corporations anyway(Heyo ArriveCan). A government cheque doesn’t magically create competition it just increases demand, which is exactly why those programs can end up pushing prices higher.

In order to keep the cost of living down we need public options that operate on a tiny profit margin where the priority is to generate cheaper goods. But that's a lefty idea and isn't going to get better under the Liberals or the Conservatives. Hell even Carneys grocery tax credit is just incentive for higher prices of goods.

Carney's grocery tax credit did absolute nothing but buy him a fresh media cycle. In actually breaks down to like an extra 30 something dollars a week at best. That isn't getting anyone out of the poor house when we have record highs of people hitting food banks. Operating under feasible budgets is the definition of conservatism, it's about reeling in government waste, people just conflated that with gutting stuff entirely.

Public Opinions aren’t some magic solution either. If the government runs the producer or retailer, the costs don’t disappear they’re just shifted to taxpayers. Canada already runs public monopolies and oligopolies in several sectors and they aren’t exactly known for being cheap or efficient. The only way to change that is to break up those monoliths, but I don't see that happening under the Liberals.

All Pierre had to do was to stand with Canada against the US 51st rhetoric but he shut up for a week until polls told him what to do and keeps saying that a new trade deal should be the #1 priority as if Trump is going to stick to any trade deal.

I mean he did. Multiple times.

CBC video clip from 11 months ago

CTV interview from the election campaign

Poilievre to Trump: 'Canada will never be the 51st state' - Clipped from 2024.

Tweet from April 2025

The only people he keep repeating that talking point are people pushing the same tired Liberal smear points. It took me less than 5 minutes to dig that up. Your point doesn't really hold up when both Canadian leaders pushed against trump but only one of them quietly dropped the tarriffs, or did we choose to ignore that?

Also key point, politicians don’t control what the media amplifies day to day, more importantly, prioritizing a stable trade relationship with the USA isn’t selling Canada out the U.S. is our largest trading partner by a massive margin. Any government, Liberal or Conservative, has to treat that relationship seriously whether they like it or not. This isn't about MAGA or whatever other buzzword people want to use, it's objective facts that the US is our biggest partner and they are right next door to us, the whole group of redditors who did stats 101 thinking Canada can exist without trading to the US are absolutely out to lunch. I get people don't the US because it's hip but it's not really feasible.

I'll be honest I don't care about the debt. It's cheap to service and we can pay it off in a year if we actually want to but we're building infrastructure and upgrading our military and that isn't free.

You should because debt drastically affects all Canadians and we're about to spend a shit ton just keeping up with it. Canada’s federal debt scaling into the trillions. Paying that off in a year would require either catastrophic spending cuts, massive tax increases, or both, like I'm talking complete collapse here on paper. Debt servicing is barley manageable now, but interest costs are already one of the fastest-growing parts of the federal budget and it's only going to get worse.

And as someone with unfortunate knowledge of military procurement, I have very little hope those funds will be well spent or go to the proper places. If you know, you know.

No. I know. And now Quebec isn't even complying and I have no idea why they're keeping this up. The only thing I can think of is money from the anti-gun groups.

The liberals get 3 major prongs for keeping it going (maybe 4 but I'll bonus it at the end).

They get to maintain the wedge issue, they love running the conservatives want ARs on the streets ads, they've used against Harper, they've used them against Pierre, it's a free wedge. It forces the conservatives to pick a side on what should be a non-partisan issue and makes it into one.

They get to maintain the illusion of public safety. Do you have any idea how much work and time would be required to actually crack down on the border? The amount of negative press that would pop up because certain smuggling points are NOT media friendly and the Liberals LOVE to pander. It's easier to say they're getting assault style guns off the streets then actually address crime guns. This isn't a new fact.

They get to buy those sweet suburban votes. It's not just Quebec either, there's plenty of people with zero knowledge of firearms who eat this shit up. It's pandering to their base with your tax dollars. That money could be better spent on literally ANYTHING else, like I don't know, THE BORDER?

The fourth one is more of a tin foil hat thing but I'll include it for the sake of discussion, it feels like the forced those OICs because they didn't think they'd win the election and it would put the at the time, giga majority conservative government into a really bad spot wasting time in the house to undo it all.

The poly money means nothing in the grand scheme, there are significantly bigger fish funding the Liberals.

I don't know what you're referencing here. Source?

Bill C2 is their border act which lets the cops do a bunch of invasive searches into you without any warrants. Completely unchecked btw. Source and here's the bill itself

It received a ton of blowback in the house but not a ton of media coverage. They've now brought it back AGAIN as Bill C22. Source1 and Source2

It's a Sean Fraser and Gary Anandasangaree combo piece with Carney backing it. If you can't see how problematic it is allowing the government to encroach even further into your data, location and privacy in the name of 'safety', well then I don't know what else to say.

But don't worry, they're also reducing the transparency in the government and the ability to assess them, not that they don't already push back against information requests but now they're full sending it.

There's also (with a quick summary, feel free to look them up and read them for yourself):

Bill C-8: Control over cyber systems, networks, utilities-power to cut/throttle

Bill C-9: Speech and ideology. Vague hate definitions used to silence dissent

Bill C-11: Regulates online content, controiling what you see and share

Bill C-63: Policing messaging, speech, online behavior

So yeah, I'm pretty worried about whats being passed and concerned they're gonna ram this shit through the house when they land a majority via floor crossing.

I'm pissed because I used to vote Conservative. Now I have to swallow the buckets of hate against immigrants and LGBQT people for the same party that's trashing healthcare provincially, demonizing abortion again, going to sell of property that could be generating revenue and lowering taxes, and spewing the same 3 word slogans to tell me that Canada is the worst country in the world despite my eyes and ears telling me otherwise.

Buddy, you've bought into the reddit hate haven't you? Let's work on that. Conservatives are campaigning on “hate against immigrants or LGBTQ people” is mostly political framing. Immigration levels, border control, and social policy debates aren’t automatically hatred they’re policy disagreements. Painting half the electorate as bigots is exactly the kind of rhetoric that makes political discourse worse and it's a great smear by the Liberals. They love their unchecked and unfettered immigration, I'm all for controlled immigration, I'm not down to import shit tons of people to suppress wages and strain our systems beyond the brink. Also saying that the conservatives are against LGBTQ is just a straight up lie / misinfo post thats caught on and it's an easy club to swing with NO substance behind it. If the conservatives were anti-lgbtq, they'd be pushing to ban gay marriage (which they havent lol, infact there's plenty of diverse folks in Conservative camp too) and stop any kind of transitioning surgery. They've asked to implement age limits and safe guards, which there SHOULD be when it comes to life changing medical work.

[u/Lumindan → u/Lumindan]

I ran out of characters.

spewing the same 3 word slogans to tell me that Canada is the worst country in the world despite my eyes and ears telling me otherwise.

Every political party does this. Elbows up, Canada Strong, Canada Unity, The Rupture with the US.

And objectively, Canada IS slumping right now. We're in a pretty rough economic decline, our trade is drying up, jobs are dropping away from folks, food bank numbers are at an all time high, we're suffering from a massive brain drain to the states in terms of talent (STEM oh boy!), we're running an insane deficit, we sit on a mountain of resources that we can't process because we refuse to invest in ourselves and meanwhile our government is busy virtue signaling and crying about Trump instead of actually helping people. Now sprinkle in a dose of the world being not so steady (IE: any kind of war on the other side of the world) and every Canadian is gonna pay for it. This isn't feeling, it's an objective fact.

The Liberals shooting down the Affordable food act was pretty telling where their priorities were. Maintaining a gun buyback with zero effect on Public Safety except for keeping consultants on the payroll isn't problematic to you?

I lose my shit at the Conservatives because sense has seemed to leave the party and their goal is to win for the sake of winning and they'll do or say anything to get to that goal. They betrayed me of course I'm mad at them.

Yeah you're mad, but most of your points are vibe based emotional responses not rooted in fact, that's why I'm calling you out. If you feel the party moved away from what you want, that’s fair, you vote however you want, thats the one of the best parts of being Canadian. People change parties all the time. But a lot of what you’re describing is less about concrete policy and more about the narratives that have been pushed via smears and reddit, not fact. Disagreeing with Conservatives is one thing. Pretending every problem in Canada comes from them while the parties that have governed most of the last decade are blameless doesn’t really make sense and hence why I'm responding to your posts.

[u/The_King_of_Canada → u/Lumindan]

Oh ho ho and here I though you said you were done with me. I'm not going to respond to all of your points FYI I'm not that bored.

Corporate profits and grocery prices exploded under Liberal policy

Yea because of Covid. Did you hear about that? Did you hear about global rampant inflation?

A government cheque doesn’t magically create competition it just increases demand, which is exactly why those programs can end up pushing prices higher.

I don't want them to send government cheques I want a public option with low markups.

That isn't getting anyone out of the poor house when we have record highs of people hitting food banks.

Yea. Did you read my comment? I agree.

Operating under feasible budgets is the definition of conservatism, it's about reeling in government waste

Well it's about cutting essential services to the point where they don't work, cutting taxes for the rich, and then not cutting spending. And if you want to talk waste let's talk military there's a shit load in there.

The only way to change that is to break up those monoliths, but I don't see that happening under the Liberals.

Yea. I said this. And it definitely won't happen under the CPC.

I mean he did. Multiple times.

Yea. After a week of silence. It really doesn't count when you wait for polling and the other guy took a firm stance.

Bill C2

They've been making amendments warrants are now required for everything I read in the article.

Bill C22

In Bill C-22, the government is proposing that police and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) only be able to approach telecommunications companies and ask them if, yes or no, an individual is a client before having to get a warrant for more information. Article content

That’s a significant step back from the original proposal in C-2 that would have allowed them to approach any service provider (including those protected by privilege such as doctors and lawyers) to ask if an individual was a client, for how long, where, and if the company knew of other service providers who had dealt with that individual. All without a warrant.

The article says that they made changes and still need warrants.

But don't worry, they're also reducing the transparency in the government and the ability to assess them, not that they don't already push back against information requests but now they're full sending it.

The paper the article is referring to is not law and says it would allow for extensions in emergency situations.

Bill C-8

Probably not going to pass like that.

Bill C-9

Agreed but it likely won't pass the Supreme Court challenge.

Bill C-11

Just expands the demand that content viewed in Canada have a certain amount made in Canada. Like we do for TV services.

Bill C-63

No opinion, doesn't sound like it's getting though. If it does I doubt it'll survive the supreme court.

Buddy, you've bought into the reddit hate haven't you?

Imma not going to read that whole thing. Everything I said was hand delivered to my door by the CPC flyer last election.

The rest you're going to spend another few paragraphs saying your opinion and ignoring what I wrote so I'll do the same here.