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[u/Straight-Yam-4151]

There are literally people on here against it because they’re so online-brainwashed they genuinely cannot process that Conservatives represent their interests better than the Liberals do.

“But Harper didn’t do enough.” “But this is too little, too late.” “Why didn’t he run on this?”

Etc. etc.

The Conservatives could give them everything they ever wanted and it still would not be enough.

If the Liberals put out a bill banning puppies, these people would instantly start with, “PP wants to ban puppies too, so it doesn’t matter,” or “PP wants to ban puppies and cats too.”

It’s a team sport to them now.

[u/gamercast1337 → u/Straight-Yam-4151]

Or my favorite "erm current laws are good" like you dont get dragged over the fucking coals for defending yourself and your family  losing your job, money etc even if you win, your life is over. Just how the government wants it. 

[u/Goliad1990 → u/gamercast1337]

Or my favorite "erm current laws are good" like you dont get dragged over the fucking coals

They're right. People aren't getting "dragged over the coals" because the law is bad, it's because they're being prematurely charged by the cops before they even launch an investigation.

That's not a problem you can fix by clarifying the law. As long as law enforcement has a "let the court sort it out" attitude, there is literally no self-defence law law you could write that would solve the problem.

[u/Lumindan → u/Goliad1990]

But you're missing the fact that the law absolutely influences how police and the crown handle self-defence cases.

Right now, Canada’s self-defence provisions under Criminal Code of Canada section 34 are intentionally broad and rely on a long list of “reasonableness” factors. Because the threshold is vague, police often default to laying charges and letting the courts decide. That’s exactly why people get dragged through the system even when the Crown eventually drops the case.

If there was more clarity, they wouldn't be able to do it.

When the law is clear and prescriptive, officers have stronger guidance on when charges are appropriate vs when the law is vague and discretionary, officers default to “fuck it, charge them and let the courts figure it out.”

That's not a problem you can fix by clarifying the law. As long as law enforcement has a "let the court sort it out" attitude, there is literally no self-defence law law you could write that would solve the problem.

This statement contradicts itself. If the problem is that police are laying charges too easily, then raising the legal clarity and threshold for charging in legitimate self-defence cases is exactly how you reduce that behaviour no?

it's not going to be perfect but it's certainly a better step towards protecting Canadians.