r/canadaguns • u/AutoModerator • Jun 06 '22

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u/exploreddit Jun 06 '22

What political strategies could we push to cement our rights to own firearms in Canada? I wonder if pursuing property rights has a better chance of getting through the political system than a pure firearms approach.

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u/Flat-Dark-Earth Big Bore Specialist Jun 06 '22

Pushing for property rights would he a good start.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

already have plenty of property rights established by common law. You can own stuff. But like everything else, property ownership is absolute nor simple. You can't build a refinery on your residential building lot.

"Absolute inalienable ownership of stuff" is going to do what exactly? Probably just going to mean that individuals get completely fleeced out of any property ownership by corporations.

Govts permit the ownership of firearms with lots of conditions via plain statute laws.

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u/TKB-059 bc Jun 06 '22

What political strategies could we push to cement our rights to own firearms in Canada

Unironically? The demise of confederation. Firearms are basically a nonissue out west.

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u/greasygreenbastard Jun 06 '22

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Big laughs. In all seriousness your (our) best bet for concrete rights is to have the current political system (ie the English system with the crown and whatnot) dismantled and replaced with an American style one. But barring a miracle or establishing a new country, that will never ever happen.

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u/throwa37 Jun 06 '22

Unfortunate blackpill. Even when the federal government went out of their way to create a bill of rights, they made sure to leave themselves plenty of escape clauses.

Asking for an established state to grant actual rights to it's citizens is asking it to act directly counter to it's own interests.

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u/Jabbaland I 3D Print Freedom Jun 06 '22

But barring a miracle or establishing a new country, that will never ever happen.

At this rate I can see separation gaining a lot of steam. What is the point of the west sticking around when they have no power?

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u/drain-angel BC Jun 06 '22

Cement? Not happening without opening up the constitution and codifying property rights, clarifying the laws regarding self-defence in Canada, and removing the Notwithstanding Clause at the very least. It'd unironically be more likely that Western Autonomy/Federalism would succeed than that, but if we're talking National...

Best we can do right now is to stop the bleeding, gain as much ground over the Liberals and the next time they come in give them too much to pick away at.

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u/KrithusfulPoE Jun 06 '22

Multiple hurdles, the government at all levels have been slowly but surely been selling out your freedoms and rights in this country whether you believe it or not. Depending who you know who you ask, developers and politicians have a lot of mutual interests. About 50% if not 80% of Canadian GDP is now finance/real estate. Many municipalities are pushing detached homes and gentrifying everything for condos by raising property taxes by 6-10% year over year. This causes rent to escalate and other associated costs to increase.

Trying to implement capital gains for primary residence, just slowly chipping away at those that grinded the mortgage and carved a piece of canada for themselves.

Politicians use this to leverage votes and try to blame foreign buyers...which account for less than 5% of all home purchases in Canada.

Canadian politics is the most uneventful thing ever because it's all indirect, however I feel the upcoming election will bring the most attention in years to come. You don't vote for anything in this country, if you live in coast city, it's all mostly predetermined for you. Single issue voters, and alot of people are very misinformed/don't do their own research...often listening to everything the "news" tells them which is "regulated" by the government. They don't know any better. Open borders for immigration to farm votes, only to have it backfire when they start paying heavy taxes. Very vicious cycle. Gun control has always been a subject politicians avoid because it's political suicide. Too much gun control you lose all the conservative states, too little you get backlash and be considered to be promoting gun violence. Anything that promotes fear is good for the government in terms of control. I'll let the recent events speak for themselves in the narratives the government chose to adhere to. There's also absolutely no government in the world that doesn't want to stay in power forever and have all their citizens disarmed/unarmed. People forgot how hard and how many lives were lost so we could have the things we take for granted today.

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u/exploreddit Jun 06 '22

Trust me, I'm thoroughly blackpilled. But if we were able to get a favourable majority government in place we would need to focus our efforts on making one meaningful change.

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u/KrithusfulPoE Jun 06 '22

0 accountability culture. If we can bring that back, great. It's always last guys problem. Next guy's problem. Next guy blames last guy. Etc. Get caught on the take or something shady, resign and get money.