Firearm deactivation and Borrow a Restricted firearm transfer

[u/french_tickler1]

Hey Guys, long time listener, first time caller. I have a complex situation here, i'll try to lay out the details and get some advice or clarity.

My Neighbour unfortuneatly passed away early last year, and had a small collection of restricted and one prohibited handgun. His wife, passed away early this year and left their kids to navigate the estate etc. Their son is now the executor of their estate.

Their son has obtained his PAL/RPAL, but obviously with the freezes does him little to no good. He is considering deactivating the firearms as opposed to a straight up surrender.

Which leads me to my first question, is there any gunsmiths in the Manitoba region that can handle deactivations?

They seem to be few and far between, i've given him some contact info for guys in our area but recomendations are appreciated.

Second question: Assuming he will need an ATT to transfer to the gunsmith anyways, is it difficult to transfer them from province to province for deactivations sake? If not recomendations in the Calgary AB area for gunsmiths to complete the deactivation are welcome as well.

Third question: Is there any chance he would be able to "lend" the restricted firearms to himself as the executor of the estate? I understand this is more of a CFO question, but i was hoping to get feedback if anyone has personally done this or at least attempted to. I understand this option still exists for individual to individual, but the executor to person sitution complicates things.

The intent isn't that he keeps the handguns indefinitely, but moreso to buy the guy some time to work through the other aspects of the estate, then get his feet under him and get the guns deactivated. Ideally he would get some time to enjoy the guns while he has them in his possession.

Knowing his father, he would be sad to see them surrendered, and would be happy to know his guns got enjoyed as long as possible before ultimately having them deactivated.

Any advice or help is appreciated! Sorry for the long winded post. Obligatory "man our gun laws suck"

*Sorry for any typo's or spelling mistakes, i have fat fingers and posted this on my phone\*

Edit: Thanks for all if the suggestions and insight! You all are a great bunch!

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[u/Shitmonkey5425]

The estate is allowed to hang onto the guns while things are being settled, it won’t work forever but I’ve seen stuff go on for over a decade

[u/567432Gains]

The time limit for an executor to hold onto something is not specifically defined, but it won’t hold forever. He will be good for years though.

What he should do is begin training in a recognized capacity for Olympic shooting and then request an exemption status. If it’s in .22lr it should be good, and once he gets the exemption he needs to apply for a caliber exemption for 9mm (assuming they are 9mm).

If they are other calibers I’m not certain you can get a caliber exemption but maybe.

The prohibited pistol he’s out of luck, but I would recommend selling it in Switzerland auctions before having it deactivated or surrendered

Edit* I should also note that iv heard training with a pellet pistol counts as training in the capacity for qualifying for the exemption.

[u/SpectreBallistics → u/567432Gains]

I should also note that iv heard training with a pellet pistol counts as training in the capacity for qualifying for the exemption.

Yes it does. You need to shoot 10m air pistol and keep a record of your targets by signing, dating, and taking a picture of them. They may ask you to describe your training so make sure you're doing it by following ISSF rules.

[u/567432Gains → u/SpectreBallistics]

Great to hear confirmation on this.

[u/DarkFar5348 → u/567432Gains]

Where can I read about a calibre exemption? This is news to me.

[u/SpectreBallistics]

Which leads me to my first question, is there any gunsmiths in the Manitoba region that can handle deactivations?

Wolverine Supplies has done deactivations in the past.

Second question: Assuming he will need an ATT to transfer to the gunsmith anyways, is it difficult to transfer them from province to province for deactivations sake? If not recommendations in the Calgary AB area for gunsmiths to complete the deactivation are welcome as well.

Call the CFO. Mailing them is going to be the easiest solution.

Third question: Is there any chance he would be able to "lend" the restricted firearms to himself as the executor of the estate?

No.

Another option they have if they do not want to surrender the guns to the RCMP or pay a crap load of money for deactivations is to sell them to a licensed business. The value of them will be low, unless they're rimfire and can be transferred under handgun exemptions.

[u/SecureNarwhal]

Are ranges allowed to take ownership of handguns? That could be another option to keep them functional but I'm not sure if it's possible and would also depend on the individual range.

[u/georgeofthejungle71]

Would any of them qualify for sale in the US? I'd suggest doing that vs deactivation unless, the desire is to keep them for sentimental reasons.

I saw a video runkle did that said something about you could do the deactivation yourself...

I've given instruction in my will that if my current restricted firearms can not be transferred to person a, b or c then all but one (which does not qualify) are to be exported and sold in the US. I fully realize that may lead to a loss for my estate. The dollars and cents are not the primary point.

[u/-FingerOnTheTrigger-]

You could contact P3 Shooting in Alberta and see if he will buy them or if he knows anyone who wants to buy those guns.

[u/pdq_sailor]

Most gun clubs have commercial licenses and can acquire restricted firearms. Not sure abut prohibited firearms... What I would explore is an arrangement where they could be "sold" to such a gun club for a nominal amount with an agreement that they be sold back for same nominal amount when we finally get rid of the Liberal government.. The agreement would allow for exclusive use while at the gun club.. Perhaps the gun safe would go there as well...

[u/Izuall1437]

Firing Line in St B can take them, then he could use them there. There's info about it on their for sale page.

[u/Medical_Bluejay_7506]

Just say his safe was empty when you opened it. Worked for a friend of mine.