r/canadaguns • u/Flat-Dark-Earth Big Bore Specialist • 28d ago

News / Politics / Activism Assuming the coming Supreme Court challenge rules in the governments favour, are we expecting OIC #4?

Worst case scenario, the Supreme Court ruling rules in favour of the government, deciding all previous bans were just.

What do we expect? Another OIC wrapping up the remaining semi-autos by model?

New legislation announced banning firearms by newly defined features?

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u/AnvilsHammer 28d ago

It depends on how much political capital they want to keep in those 3 Montreal ridings and Poly.

Even if the SC overturns, chances are they will still have a majority. Carney could just throw up his hands and say this was a Trudeau thing and I don't care, and just only revive it at election time. Or he could just push through a new firearms act and we could be looking at a worse version California gun laws.

Unless someone is a LPC insider, which I highly doubt, no one here will really know the right answer.

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u/Scooba_Mark 28d ago

They have had many opportunities to abandon this joke if a program a d haven't. Sadly, I don't think they will now.

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u/AnvilsHammer 28d ago

They had the means, but 0 motive. Carney loses nothing with his base, and the majority of urban voters if he scraped the program. Chances are people not voting for Carney arent single issue voters. So even if he removed that one issue, he would gain nothing, but possibly lose votes, if he scraps it before the SC rules.

At least that way he can get his sound bite of "at least I tried, blame the courts"

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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 27d ago

This is my thought. Hes going to indicate to the scc quietly in the background that he wants to be free of this braindead albatross of an own goal that Trudeau set up with poly lunatics.

Then he can say your quoted line and be done with it because its asinine and Canadians are speaking by action (easier still: inaction) regarding the whole expensive debacle.

The less cost on the books that he personally "owns" for this fiasco, the better it plays for him.

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u/WeightedDips95 27d ago

And how does the fact that his government made more moves to collect the guns than Trudeau ever did fit into your fantasy about mr pragmatic numbers man?

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u/outline8668 26d ago

And to add to this he went out his way to bring Provost into the fold. They didn't do that just for funzies

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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears 27d ago

An SCC loss would be the most ideal off ramp for them, anything else would leave too much room for criticism.

I understand they’ve had what appears to be many off ramps, but I fail to see how people don’t think this would be their one golden opportunity.

This isn’t some kind of “carney is different and doesn’t want to ban guns” cope, IMO, and this certainly isn’t planned or deliberate on their part.

That said, when you consider the cost-benefit when playing the game of politics, it’s a desirable move to make.

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u/outline8668 26d ago

You think they recruited Provost and trot her out for every gun related press conference because they have any intention of abandoning this program? Come on.

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u/Eazy-Eid 28d ago

There's no indication that Carney is any less radical on this issue than Trudeau was. He put Poly in his cabinet ffs

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u/AnvilsHammer 28d ago

and theres no indication that he is as radical either.

Carney is a crony capitalist banker, who doesnt care about culture wars. Trudeaus was 100% ideological driven. Carney put poly in his cabinet because montreal is important to keep for a majority. If he really did care, the SKS would have been OIC'd instantly after Montreal. In the last 10 years, theres been 5 incidents where an SKS was used for a mass shooting/cop killing. Trudeau would not have that tragedy go to waste, even if the OICs where before the supreme court.

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw 27d ago

i think trudeau and carney dont care on a personal level. on a surface level they might think guns are icky.

however their advisors tell them the political calculus on the issue and inturn they take a very anti-gun stances because they think that is the best to stay in power.

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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 27d ago

Its also fairly important to ban guns before an election to impress liberal voters. To ban everything too early is the political equivalent of premature ejaculation. This is especially true as there are fewer non sustenance rifle options left to ban while play acting being hard on crime while not doing anything meaningful.

They ban Canadian properties and way of life to win elections not because they have "feelings."

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u/Intelligent_Box_4883 27d ago

He is absolutely a radical. He was head of the world economic forum, has a net zero carbon manifesto, recommended that people who donated to the trucker movement have their bank accounts frozen, supports disarming the population, worked for the totalitarian British government (surprise surprise, he’s passing laws that are making us more like them), acts like he’s better than the average person, lies straight to our faces and even his kid is trans. How on earth can you say he’s not radical? 

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u/WeightedDips95 27d ago

Cause he was duped and voted for him and is now trying to rationalize it. 

Or he’s gaslighting 

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u/Red_Shrinp556 28d ago

Tbf Canadas laws currently make Californias look like Texas.

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u/AnvilsHammer 28d ago

we still have pistol grips, detachable magazines and threaded barrels on our semi rifles. California doesn't.

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u/Red_Shrinp556 28d ago

Threaded barrels and detachable mags are fine, so long as there’s no pistol grip or flash hider. Standard capacity magazines are common and legal so long as you bought them at the right time, and we can also buy new pistols and CCW.

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u/VanillaHighlights 27d ago

Are you talking about California laws?

Flash Hiders and compensators are LEGAL in Canada.

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u/Red_Shrinp556 27d ago

Yes, they’re legal in California too. Compensators and muzzle brakes on semi-auto centerfire rifles with detachable mags are legal, as long as there’s no pistol grip, collapsing stock, or flash hider. I never said they were illegal in Canada, just saying California still has it better.

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u/SirKickBan 28d ago

I suspect Carney will do the lower-case-L liberal thing and start a committee to begin holding meetings on how to proceed with the inquest into the correct way to implement a legal reform regarding firearms.

ie. throw Poly a bone while not having to actually do anything.