r/canadaguns • u/Mysterious_Sleep7443 • Jul 30 '26

News / Politics / Activism More Problems For Canada’s Gun Seizure Program

More Problems For Canada’s Gun Seizure Program

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/more-problems-for-canadas-gun-seizure-program-44829661

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u/rastamasta45 Jul 30 '26

The reality is the guns aren’t going anywhere, they’re either going to be out in the open or underground, that’s it. There’s no enforcement in the world that will seize the nearly 2 million affected rifles. JT, Carney, Poly and Gary have created the largest black market of weapons in Canadian history.

They took a high compliance trust based system and completely destroyed it for the sake of headlines and virtue signalling. 68000 declared firearms of which 9,000 is void due to being in Alberta and Saskatchewan out of 2 million is literal insanity. The Feds lost, they just won’t admit it yet.

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u/Top_Top7440 Jul 30 '26

This is the truth that no-one wants to admit. If the SCC case fails and the gov't bans all these guns then the black market will be huge for years. These guns will start showing up at crimes since there will be so many of them in the wrong hands

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u/rastamasta45 Jul 30 '26

Noah Schwartz put it best “guns can outlast owners by a huge margin” I believe firmly that 99% of the current gun owners who are peacefully non-complying will never resort to the black market. But as that generation dies out, who the hell knows who’s going to take them.

Considering the owners of those guns will basically be hiding this secret till their death and then it’s loot drops everywhere. Look at the UK, people are still finding stashes of WW2 functional machine guns in grand pappy’s attic because he didn’t tell anyone….and those are the one people admit they found, how many just kept them.

Not to mention Canada economy and our dollar is collapsing by the day and those guns go for pretty pennies on the street.

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u/Thegears89 Jul 30 '26

Word on the street. Like job site talk, ghost guns are running upwards of 5k a piece currently.

That's 3d printed black market guns.

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u/rastamasta45 Jul 30 '26

I believe it, a lot of cops I know say take any gun’s price tax and 4x it for street value, some go as high as 6x if it’s desirable to gangsters like Deagles.

There’s a lot of handguns right now worth a lot that can’t be sold legally and only can be destroyed.

Don’t you just love this liberal paradise

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u/Thegears89 Jul 30 '26

I work with an ex military member currently and we got talking about all the now prohibs we used to have and the regrets we had regarding firearms today. 

It's a sad time in the Canadian firearms community. Get out, support your local range and try and build the community 

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u/Clover_Lawn_4440 Jul 31 '26

Wouldn't surprise me if its cops seizing illegal guns from people and selling them right back on the streets without ever being tagged into the system

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u/julienjj Jul 30 '26

Don't forget that german guy that had a fully working Panther tank and a 88mm artilery in his basement xD

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u/rastamasta45 Jul 31 '26

He’s my GOAT lol

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u/RodgerWolf311 Jul 31 '26

the black market will be huge for years.

Try decades. Look at Europe and other nations with policies like this. Their black market firearms and smuggling exploded. Organized crime ran out of control.

Even the most strictest nations (that have death penalties for anything firearms related) have outrageous black market issues and organized crime issues. So, its obvious these policies dont work, and in fact make things far worse.

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u/IGnuGnat Jul 30 '26

So what you're saying is that the government is knowingly spending millions, potentially billions, to architect and implement the largest black market in firearms that Canada has ever seen.

I say knowingly because there is no facking way they don't understand the natural conclusion of their actions.

They think Canadians are stupid, and they are playing them to buy votes while the millions or billions of dollars they are spending could actually do some good to fight gun smuggling and violent crime. It's hypocrisy at the highest level

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u/DuperCheese Jul 30 '26

It has been working for them, so yes, it seems Canadians are stupid

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u/IGnuGnat Jul 30 '26

I think it's been working for them right up until the last year or two. Now I actually think while it's very late, Canadians are finally waking up from their slumber. They should be madder and more united but social media algorithms divide people in an automated way. It's become very difficult to resist the programming, and this applies to both sides. The right is continuously bombarded with the stupidest examples of the left, and the left is also continuously bombarded with the stupidest examples of the right. So both sides are righteously convinced that the other side is filled with contemptible cretins at best, or malignantly evil cretins at worst

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u/DuperCheese Jul 31 '26

Unfortunately, last approval numbers for Carney (if you believe then) seem to be going up, so I can’t share your optimism regarding change.

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u/IGnuGnat Jul 31 '26

ah

Canadians are indeed stupid then

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u/Hopeful_Relation_441 Jul 31 '26

because trump opened his mouth again.... every time trump speaks ford and carney numbers bump up

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u/Dependent_Account603 Jul 31 '26

Angus Reid. The most accurate poll in the last election, predicts Carney would win a minority again. His numbers aren't better now than during the last election.

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u/fyfnw Aug 03 '26

True but at least the right isn't targeting and confiscating the property of a community of the left. Maybe the Conversatives should be looking for opportunities to do that to throw red meat to their base. See how they enjoy it for a change.

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u/Papoose74 sk Jul 31 '26

Yes sir. Canadians are stupid.

Knuckle-dragging idiots in fact.

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u/fyfnw Aug 03 '26

+1. And getting worse with each passing day.

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u/AgreeablePanda9805 Jul 31 '26

Yes but govt is great at creating a problem so they can also be a solution. Creating a black market for guns doesn’t matter to them bc more crime gives them more reasons to enact even more laws to take away people’s freedoms and more crime tends to make people more scared and willing to give up their freedoms.

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u/fyfnw Aug 03 '26

I think there is overwhelming evidence that shows Canadians are indeed stupid.

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u/derdubb Jul 30 '26

Exactly. Being next door to the US it will be literally impossible to stop firearms in an underground market.

This is no different than when they tried to prohibit all alcohol sales back in the 1900s. How did that work out? Ended ruin and eventually they lifted all the bans.

Time will tell I guess

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u/Markthehare Jul 30 '26

And Quebec votes

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u/julienjj Jul 30 '26

I think you mean some downtown Montreal hippies.

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u/Pale-Memory6501 Jul 31 '26

Its not the votes, not directly anyways, its the MPs. If the liberals lose the quebec ridings, he loses seats, and thus majority.

I personally believe Carney wants to cancel the program, but cant because of the MPs possibility crossing the floor to the NDP. However, if the courts shut the program down, then he can always say he gave it the college try, and spend the billion or two else where.

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u/fyfnw Aug 03 '26

We just run the risk of them coming back with something worse if this happens. The Conservatives need to get elected and we need some manner of firearms rights / protections in this country. Until then we will be forever looking over our shoulder waiting for the bogeyman to return.

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u/16gaugeguy16 Jul 30 '26

Well said! Reality and politics don't always match up well, and this is a good example of that.

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u/InitialAd4125 Jul 31 '26

Prohibitionists are some of the dumbest people out there. Like they refuse to look at history and time and time and time again they repeat the same mistakes. You'd think they'd learn by now that if you want to address something you perceive to be a problem you have to address the why not the what.

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u/fyfnw Aug 03 '26

I think you are missing the possibility that the objective was to destroy it in the first place. The first thing you gotta do to a government program if you want to eliminate it is prove to everyone that its not working or malfunctioning. Creating a huge black market could easily be viewed in that light.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

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u/IcySkyDream Jul 30 '26

Thank you. Reading comprehension as at an all time low.

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u/Technoaddict Jul 30 '26

An all time low, so far

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u/BagOfSoupSandwiches on Jul 30 '26

Big oof. Some proof reading errors there for sure - getting the premiere wrong is pretty embarrassing lol. Their editor needs to be more diligent in fact checking.

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u/julienjj Jul 30 '26

ChatJournalistPT

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u/Panjaab1 Jul 30 '26

So to understand this correctly, an intervention by the Canadian coalition for gun control was not granted by the court but the attorney general of Canada wanted an intervention of the case got to the Supreme Court?

Also if I understand correctly, the article mentions an earlier decision in 2022 when it discusses the CTF being denied an intervention?

Another thing I am confused about is the court not deciding a single intervention motion or the interveners being listed as pending. Why has the court not decided on interventions yet? Do you think interveners like the CTF and safari will get granted? On the other hand do you think the coalition for gun control will get granted an intervention?

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u/westleysnipes604 Jul 31 '26

It also says the amount if pal holders and then says not to menton the legal gun owners who don't have a Pal. Is he talking about RPAL holders? It's confusing lol

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u/ovjho Jul 30 '26

“Having the AG of Ontario, the largest province, is particularly significant, especially since Ontario’s Premier Rob Ford recently said, “Gun owners, protect your guns. Simple as that, don’t ever give them away,”

He’s back! Why would he want to seize guns, he’s got plenty to shoot at home!

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jul 30 '26

The pure hatred towards the gun ban has revived big Rob!

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u/julienjj Jul 30 '26

Maybe it's cocaine too.

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u/sworntoblack Jul 30 '26

Yes zombie Rob Ford

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u/FrozenSeas Jul 30 '26

Rob Zombie Ford.

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u/fuckdayne Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

"You know what? But it hurts my friend group when they’re calling a friend of mine a criminal. Mike from Canmore is not a criminal. He’s a friend and it makes me sick how people are saying this.

"So unfortunately, I have no other choice. I’m the last one to take legal action. I can’t put up with it anymore.

"So, I’ve named the names. The Appeal will be starting shortly. I’ve had enough. That’s why I warned you guys yesterday, be careful what you wrote, ‘kay? So, that’s all I have to say for now.

"And the next thing I want to call MP Natalie Provost in Quebec and tell her that we’re going to have to spank the little Alouettes.

"Oh, and the last thing was, Mike from Canmore, it says that I wanted to shoot his guns, Mike from Canmore. I’ve never said that in my life to him. I would never do that. I’m happily Licensed. I’ve got more than enough to shoot at home. Thank you very much.”  

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u/567432Gains Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

I low key have been a fan of Doug lately. The dude just kinda says the quiet parts out loud and despite obviously not being a “common” man (he’s rich and doesn’t understand the struggle average people have) he still does kinda resonate on a common level. As far as politicians go, he ain’t bad. Or atleast not any more corrupt than the average one.

My favourite speech of his in recent time was when he got on stage and just started ranting about ice cream sandwiches. Can’t think of any other politician like that.

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u/ProtoJazz Jul 30 '26

imo, Rob has done nothing for the last decade

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u/567432Gains Jul 30 '26

Sorry, my bad, I straight up confuse those two in real life still. Rob was funny though, even on the crack.

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u/shadow6654 BC Jul 30 '26

Lately, hey? Rob?

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u/567432Gains Jul 30 '26

LMAO, my bad.

What’s even funnier is I already had to edit my comment because I accidentally said “I” instead of “He” at one point and it read as if I was speaking as if I was in fact him.

Thanks for the correction on that though. I still confuse them sometimes in real life.

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u/InitialAd4125 Jul 31 '26

"Why would he want to seize guns, he’s got plenty to shoot at home!"

One of the best quotes of a municipal level politician I have ever heard. Pretty much boasting he's a generous lover.

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u/yummybunnybear Jul 30 '26

I don't see these 3 problems (problem of the SCC case, problem of Canadian crime, and problem of Canadian PAL registrants) as bad for the government. The government is the party that currently has the winning-streak in the lower courts, so other than having the confiscation delayed, I don't see how the SCC is a "problem" for the government. Yeah, the government could possibly lose, but it's firearms owners who have the uphill battle. As for increasing crime and pal owners, when have those reasons stopped the government from blaming everything on gun owners? The correlation between increasing crime and pal owners will be twisted into a claim of causation and the mindless public will just nod and accept it.

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u/InitialAd4125 Jul 31 '26

" The government is the party that currently has the winning-streak in the lower courts, so other than having the confiscation delayed, I don't see how the SCC is a "problem" for the government"

Yesn't. See while all the lower courts said yeah you can do this they also all said that the government has to provide fair compensation for all affected firearms which they clearly have not been doing. Being forced to pay fair compensation for everything is very much a problem for the government otherwise they would have done it from the start.

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u/yummybunnybear Jul 31 '26

The lower courts didn't say the government must provide fair compensation

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u/InitialAd4125 Jul 31 '26

Really? I could have sworn they did.

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u/yummybunnybear Jul 31 '26

What you heard is probably this new class action:

https://firearmrights.ca/the-ccfr-launches-unprecedented-class-action-lawsuit/

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u/InitialAd4125 Jul 31 '26

Ah that makes more sense now.

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u/yuikkiuy bc Jul 30 '26

They got all our ARs and other restricteds maybe that was the end goal?

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u/PrestigiousStatus711 Jul 30 '26

They aren't getting mine.

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u/Lumindan Jul 30 '26

The end goal is to keep the wedge going. It will literally never end

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u/Coriolanus556 Jul 31 '26

They don’t have mine yet.