r/canadaguns • u/Mythic01 • 5h ago
News / Politics / Activism Access to information requests
Figured I'd submit an access to information request to Alberta Justice to see the real story on why/why not the ASFCP hasn't made any effort to setup a mobile collection unit in province, the obvious aside.
Only to be met with a fee request of $15,000.
Looks like a great way to prevent the citizens from attaining access to the information they're entitled to.
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u/pr0cyn1c 5h ago
your story smells like bullshit. Here's why:
- $25 initial fee for a general access request (non-personal information). [alberta.ca], [foip.alber...ervices.ca]
- No initial fee when requesting your own personal information. [alberta.ca], [foip.alber...ervices.ca]
- Additional processing fees may be charged only if the estimated cost of processing exceeds $150, based on activities such as searching for records, preparing records for disclosure, copying, and shipping. [alberta.ca], [foip.alber...ervices.ca]
You may have seen reports of a $15,000 fee estimate on a particular request. Public bodies can issue large fee estimates for exceptionally broad or complex requests because the law allows recovery of certain processing costs. However, that is not a province-wide filing fee or mandatory charge for all requests. Applicants can also ask for a review of fees by Alberta's Information and Privacy Commissioner.
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u/Mythic01 5h ago
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u/pr0cyn1c 5h ago
The reason you're not 'entitled' to anything in this case is clearly listed.
I'd be more interested in seeing how you worded your request in such a way as to precipitate a 13K bill. What did you ask for and how? details. Maybe you can reword the request to narrow scope of the request.edit for clarity of thought
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u/Tiflotin 5h ago
OP thinking he's entitled to over 3 months of a full time government employees time just because he's curious about something is hilarious.
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u/Mythic01 5h ago
"I am requesting all records held by Alberta Justice and Solicitor General, including the Alberta Chief Firearms Office, relating to the federal Assault Style Firearms Compensation Program (ASFCP), specifically regarding the planning, consideration, development, implementation, coordination, or decision not to implement the collection, surrender, or confiscation of affected firearms within Alberta"
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u/pr0cyn1c 5h ago
""I am requesting all records"
Well fuck a duck, no wonder they want to charge you a shit tonne of cash son. ALL RECORDS. ffs.
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u/Mythic01 5h ago
"specifically regarding the planning, consideration, development, implementation, coordination, or decision not to implement".... How many records are there really, considering this is a program that is not being implemented in this province? How would you specifically limit the scope of this request to still paint a realistic picture of the government's culpability in the program not being executed in this province?
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u/JAFOguy 4h ago
Generally, you take a bit more care in actually knowing what you are asking for. You need to actually know the right question before you get the right answer. Even if they gave you the entirety of the 12,000 pages of information you requested, you would have no idea where in those 12,000 pages you would find the information you want.
Do a bit more research and narrow down your question, and you will narrow down the search results to a manageable level.
You are entitled to ask for the information, but nothing is free.
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u/pr0cyn1c 4h ago
"How many records are there really"
Good question. Maybe the 13 K is to ensure they 'found them all'.
But if you think they only have a few sheets of paper and could answer your question in a hot minute then maybe thats a question for Alberta's Information and Privacy Commissioner. Because wasting peoples time on suspicion is a good use of their time, right?-4
u/Mythic01 4h ago
There are thousands of people who registered to participate in the ASFCP in Alberta. They're all being screwed by government bureaucracy. While they registered in good faith, the government will not process their applications due to internal red tape. Yes, I believe we are entitled to see the exact internal documentation outlining why.
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u/cattabliss bc 4h ago
you are. just pay for it bro. i have filed many fois as part of my work.
in general, you need to know
- that a specific document exists, even better if you have the name of it, or who wrote it, or who it was sent to
- what is the most likely way to get at that document. which department is likely to hold the record? who's email inbox? some digging is required
- ask for the document
going in there with and any and all request is going to result in a bill. filing FOI is a skill.
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u/pr0cyn1c 4h ago edited 4h ago
so if there are thousands, now you know why they want 13k. whats so fucking difficult to understand here?
Edit: ok dude you're giving me all sorts of "I have an extra copy of chromosome 21" vibes. good luck on your quest. l8r.
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u/Mythic01 4h ago
Thousands of applicants to a federal program which isn't happening in Alberta due to provincial barriers.
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u/kookiemaster 2h ago
If you are interested in analysis then exclude emails and also exclude client sollicitor privilege (they will be redacted) and you might get a more reasonable volume. When you say all records it means all the emails no matter how insignificant (a meeting invite for example) and there may be 12 copies of it because everybody saved it. Narrowing to certain dates is another strategy.
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u/kookiemaster 2h ago
As someone who does have to respond to atips, if you can narrow down your request to something fairly specific the price will go down dramatically. Emails tend to be the biggest spource of records volume, with many duplicates because several people have the saved email. Also ask to exclude cab confidence (it will all be redacted anyway). If you still want emails be specific (job title) in terms of author or recipient.
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl 3h ago
Are you asking to go through multiple organizations' worth of archives for this? How are you racking up 15k in fees? It's possible depending on the request but holy smokes. How did you word this?
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u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam 3h ago
"I am requesting all records held by Alberta Justice and Solicitor General, including the Alberta Chief Firearms Office, relating to the federal Assault Style Firearms Compensation Program (ASFCP), specifically regarding the planning, consideration, development, implementation, coordination, or decision not to implement the collection, surrender, or confiscation of affected firearms within Alberta"
Was is wording in another comment. Bro literally asks for everything they have and wonders why it would cost so much.
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u/Mythic01 2h ago
I mean, how much can they have on a program that isn't being rolled out in this province anyway?
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u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam 2h ago
12 300 pages, apparently. You asked for everything related to it that they had.
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u/AlbertaFree16 2h ago
Why do you care if they do or don’t setup a mobile collection unit?
How about shut up and let it die instead of poking the bear.

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u/Lumindan 5h ago
Don't worry. They'll just deny it or it redact it in the name of public safety.
Most transparent government ever woo!