r/canadaguns • u/SmatheAverage • 3d ago

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Never lose hope and make the most of our current circumstances, lads.

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u/Whispersfine 3d ago

Ask him to make 5000 of those in 3 months and maintain the QC.

I’ve been working with many manufacturers. It’s never hard to make one good gun. It’s about how you can make 99 good ones out of 100 with max efficiency. That, my friend, is the difference between a proper arsenal and a little gun workshop.

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u/superfluid 2d ago

I'm a stupid person but curious: could you elaborate on the most likely places for quality to suffer when scaling from "artisinal" crafting of platforms vs at scale?

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u/Whispersfine 2d ago

K so imagine you are running a team of 20 to 50 technicians but planning to supply the whole Canadian market. We are looking at perhaps 50 to 100 orders from each distributor in the whole country. Do you have enough man power and management resources to cover the operation? If you screw up one rifle, you need twice the time to make it right. It’s a nightmare for operation management.

I’ve seen some awesome projects from small arms manufacturers but they probably only produce a handful each year. In Makasi’s case, they need to haul ass to fill all the preorders, QC then becomes a joke.

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u/superfluid 2d ago

Ah, I gotcha. A follow-up: my ignorant and obviously wrong assumption is that these are repeatable, computer-driven, processes. What aspects of the manufacturing pipeline fails to scale here? Is there like "drift" in the tooling over time or like, what's actually failing here?

I appreciate your time and insight, I find this pretty interesting.

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u/Whispersfine 2d ago

As simple as it sounds, those CNC machines needs regular maintenance. Also, the most common negative reviews about makasi at this point appears to happen during the assembly process. Forcing bolts through is a main concern, they also sourced less ideal parts for piston clip, this was the first report about charging handle being wedged.

I won’t generalize and assume that these QC issues are due to one simple factor. The main reason why those w180 were garbage because they lacked of large scale manufacturing capacity and experience. Yet because of our brilliant government, we only have so many options for a much bigger demand.

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u/SmatheAverage 2d ago

A fellow from Texas reported the same issue with the charging handle back in Oct 2023.
https://www.falfiles.com/threads/brigade-manufacturing-makasi-fal-ar-hybrid-rifle.485006/post-5531368

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u/Top_Importance6216 2d ago

he also reported his issues were user end related / gas tube not fully being in position.