r/canadaguns • u/greg7171 • 19d ago
Application / Regulation advice Shooting norinco red box in crown land illegal?
Hello everyone, I am wondering If it is legal to shoot my norinco red box ammo in crownland ( in a sand pit where firearms discharge is not prohibited). I was looking into it, and google's AI is telling me that that would be illegal because it poses a fire hazard ( because the steel core could create a spark) and that itself ( not creating the fire, but the possibility of creating a fire) it's illegal. He also mention that conservation officers carry a magnet to check your ammo??
The logic that the AI gave me reads as follows:
-Federal Classification: Norinco Red Box 7.62x39mm is 100% legal to own and possess under the Criminal Code of Canada. It is a rifle cartridge and is not classified as "prohibited armor-piercing ammunition".
-Provincial Restriction: While legal to own federally, discharging it on Crown land during wildfire season violates provincial fire prevention laws due to the physical properties of the ammunition (steel component) combined with the geology of the area (granite gravel).
-The Hazard: Firing steel-jacketed or steel-core projectiles into rocky terrain creates high-temperature mechanical sparks. Firing soft lead-and-copper bullets does not.
Idk if you have ever heard about this, or is the AI just being silly, I have tried to look it up and I guess you could look at it that way, but I would be greatful to know what you have to say.
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u/Jurple-shirt 19d ago
Asking AI is not looking it up.
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u/greg7171 19d ago
Yes I did look it up, in the manitoba wildfire act. Is says
"12(1) No person shall
(a) start a fire that is likely to burn out of control, burns out of control, or endangers life, land or property;"
And tha AI is saying that steel core is scientifically proven to spark when it hits a hard target ( like a pebble or cobble in the sand pit ), it could start a fire. That is the logic, and I mean, Ig you could look at it that way.
I am not sure, and that is why I am asking.
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u/Specialist_Chard5231 19d ago
The issue is AI is right. Steel core in banned in some places due to its ability to start fires when it hits rocks. But in general is it not banned in Canada for crown land shooting. So you can shoot it, but if a fire starts it is on you. So act accordingly.
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u/Jurple-shirt 18d ago
There's countless completely legal things that people do everyday that could lead to an uncontrolled fire but don't because people aren't being negligent.
Just don't be negligent.
Using a language model to research local law is negligent.
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u/marston82 19d ago
You can’t always trust AI, mine told me that you cannot move with OIC prohib rifles and to surrender them or deactivate before changing addresses lol.
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u/TheBulletBuddy 19d ago
Ive had conservation mention that during firebans you cant shoot on crown land due to the fire risk, nothing ammo specific though.
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u/5hane7rain 19d ago
Stop interacting with the online hallucination machine. You must find the actual laws for your area.
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u/SirKickBan 19d ago edited 19d ago
If it were illegal to do anything that carries the possibility of creating a fire on crown land, you wouldn't be able to do basically anything on it.
That said there are some weird laws out there, like you can be fined for 'leaving gun residue unextinguished', so it's good to be trying to look it up first. But if you're going to get answers from AI, make sure you ask it to link you to a source so you can double-check whatever it tells you.
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u/International_Mud367 19d ago
The AI is giving you answers based off the majority of responses online. Largely speaking the majority of questions are probably "can I shoot steel core at range x?" Or "why can't I shoot steel core at a range?"
It's giving you this answer because in enclosed places, like most indoor ranges, yes there's a fire hazard from steel core sparking off a wall or ceiling baffle and igniting gunpowder residue. Outdoors, into a sand pit, there really shouldn't be anything that can cause it to spark,nor should there be enough gunpowder residue in a small area for it to even light.
Remember that AI is only as smart as the people talking to it, and you shouldn't trust it without having some domain knowledge yourself. I'm sorry you asked here and you got flamed instead of helped (pun intended) but this worry is strictly for indoor ranges and that's why it's the first thing AI will give you.
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u/Dependent_Account603 19d ago
With that said, use your common sense. Some states ban target shooting during extreme heat, such as Washington. If some idiots start a fire while target shooting, our govt will ban target shooting during extreme heat as well. Just because you can shoot your steel core ammo during extreme heat doesn't mean you should.
Our gun club in Squamish shuts down entirely after 3 days of consecutive extreme heat rating. They used to simply ban steel core ammo. But people couldn't be trusted to follow that, so now they shut down operations entirely. Which is kinda a shame as it drives people out into the bush instead.
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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 19d ago
So... You did not look it up.
I've never seen anyone shooting 7.62x39 that isn't surplus bimetallic/soft steel core on crown land. As long as the backstop is proper, there's nothing to worry about.