r/canadaguns • u/Emantr1 • 27d ago
Application / Regulation advice Failed my range safety/practical test today and need some advice
I signed up for my range safety course today and completely bombed it.
I acts/proved fine enough but when it came time to test with a pistol for the life of me I could not reload it. My hands got excessively sweaty and pulling back the slide was near impossible for me no matter how many times I wiped my hands.
Eventually nerves got to me and derailed my whole progression were I started to make mistakes on fundamentals like acts/proves, maintaining trigger discipline and not following procedure, and this was just in the classroom with a denatured pistol and dummy ammo.
Even with wiping my hands over and over again, on the range it was more of the same which resulted in me not passing the test. By the end I believe I was even trembling due to my nerves.
Of course not passing is a good thing in terms of safety, you wouldn’t want someone unsure of themselves handling something so dangerous. However how does one get better at this?
It is prohibitively expensive to go to a range as a non member and shoot, and even then when you, the parts that I failed at the most like actually reloading/acts and proves are already done for you, which teaches you nothing in terms of what to do.
I’ve always been a fairly nervous guy and am prone to excessive hand sweat. Honestly when playing video games with a controller, I wear gloves as my hands tend to profusely sweat.
This is a hobby I hoped to get into and I have already spent a decent amount of money + time invested into it however it seems like there is not really an avenue to get better at this. I contemplated practicing with a bb but it doesn’t feel anything like the real one, with the real glock I was using being much tighter and harder to get the slide to lock.
Not really sure what things I should focus on and how I can combat it. It could be my finger/ hand strength, nerves, sweaty hands of a combination of everything.
I feel really bummed out, like something is fundamentally wrong with me. Hell, even young children were doing it successfully on the range, while I, a full blown adult was not.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago
Assuming you aren't just so naturally nervous you shouldn't be around live handguns to begin with ( Do you do anything else mechanical but aren't nervous? do you drive?)...
Assuming your hands get sweaty naturally. Why don't you wear gloves the next time? People wear gloves while shooting all the time - especially in wet and icy conditions.
Did you have a conversation with the instructor when you failed?
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
Truthfully my hands get really sweaty when I do anything involving my hands like using hand tools and driving. All of that could be nerves as well, not too sure.
I will definitely wear gloves next time but I'm so disheartened, I'm not too sure when next time will be.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago
I would reach out to the instructor again and discuss nerves. If you aced the written portion, maybe he will allow you to audit the next course and just do the practical test again.
During the course itself you should have been allowed to practice all you wanted on the deactivated guns. That happened right?
Don't beat yourself up about failing once. I failed my driving test twice.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
Unfortunately the course was on a hard time limit so I didn't have much time to familiarize myself with the motions involved.
I failed my driving test 3 times before I passed but in those days I didn't have a car to practice. Seems like this might be the same thing. How do you practice with something you don't own/ can't use?
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago edited 27d ago
CFSC should have a minimum of 8 hours.With breaks that should be plenty of time for practice. If the instructor tried to shorten that time that's not right.If you feel comfortable with the other actions I would book time at a rental range and explain your challenge to a range officer. They should be happy to walk you through it. Or if you state your location maybe someone here will help you out.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
This wasn't the cfsc test. That I was able to pass a few years ago, albeit with the same issues.
This was a 3 hour range test to become a member of this specific range.
I'm located in Toronto but I'm unaware of any additional ways to practice outside of someone with a pistol practicing with me.
Also I wouldn't want to place that burden on anyone.
Although I did talk with the instructor very briefly, I had messed up on numerous things so there was nothing they could pinpoint to fix. The shame and frustration had me sprinting out as soon as possible. Again even children were able to pass while I was a nervous wreck.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago
Sorry I misunderstood. Unfortunately I can't think of another way for you to get comfortable without getting hands on experience without having a gun or taking a course. Airsoft guns wouldn't operate the same way as far as I know. You may have to make some friends who would help you out.
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u/PhantomNomad al 27d ago
I have a BB Replica Sig P226. About the only thing different is in the magazine also holds a CO2 cartridge. When you pull the slide back it won't expel the shell/round. But other then that it's pretty much exactly like my real P226. It's even blow back. It's really fun for shooting in the garage on a rainy day.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago
That's cool. How is the weight? Similar to the real one?
I have a CZ airsoft pistol and it doesn't really compare to my real CZ75
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u/PhantomNomad al 27d ago
Mine is all metal so it's pretty close. I was looking and the new one's have the CO2 cartridge behind the grip and only a small strip magazine that you put pellets in and is basically a 6 shot pellet gun. Mine you put the CO2 cartridge in the magazine and can hold 20 BB's. It doesn't look like you can buy those any more.
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u/EnvironmentalFox7532 27d ago
I have the same air gun P226, missed out on the real deal but it’s a great replacement.
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u/tml-7 27d ago
Im sure if you reached out to the range/instructor that they would be willing to work with you to get you some extra handling time to get more use to it. They may charge to compensate for their time/supplying the firearm, but i wouldnt be surprised if they dont charge as long as you are signed up for the next safety course. The gun community is rather small in canada but we want all we can to be a part of it safely. You dont need live ammunition nearby to just get used to handling the firearm, in fact, i find dry fire and handling with only blanks is usually more beneficial when new so that you can just get familiar with the mechanics. After stripping and cleaning a new firearm I almost always put around an hour or so into handling it and getting use to the mechanics of that particular firearm before ever taking it out to the range personally.
Just remember to take your time, follow the acts and prove every time you touch it, and keep it always pointed down range + finger off the trigger until ready to fire. Eventually it will all be second nature and you won't even consciously think about needing to follow acts and prove, it will just happen every time you pick something up as habit. And if your ever unsure about if you checked to see if it was safe, then just do it again.
Look, firearms can be a scary thing until you get used to handling them. The first pistol I got after getting my rpal my heart rate spiked every time I handled it until I went through the motions a few times and became confident in my ability to safely handle it. My first range trip with it my only goal was to go, unpack, sucessfully and safely get a full magazine run through it and pack up and leave. After a while, it becomes second nature and you dont even blink being around them.
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u/LongRoadNorth 27d ago
Which range?
I never tried but I've heard good things about the pistol portion at Gagnons.
And I know the owner through Oshawa clay and target. He's a good guy.
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u/Holmes419 27d ago
Ask your doctor to look/test for palmar hyperhidrosis. They can prescribe extremely strong anti-perspiration cream or oral medication.
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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks 27d ago edited 27d ago
Get a good pair of shooting/range gloves. You want something tactile. At the very least, mechanix fastfits are alright. Practice with them, break them in a bit beforehand so they're shaped a little to your hands.
Brand new gloves or gloves that are too thick will get in the way more than you'd like.
I sweat like hell and they definitely do help.
A lot of what you've listed is stuff a lot of people have issues with at first. They're habits you build with practice. Muscle memory.
Ideally, things like muzzle control and trigger discipline will become your default state. You get there by exposure and repetition. Same way you learned how to hold cutlery as a tot.
Don't be hard on yourself, my guy. You'll get there. There are some realistic BBs as well that are used by some for dryfire practice. Umarex/Glock make the G19 GenV MOS full blowback BB pistol, and it's generally well regarded as a training aid as far as I've heard.
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u/Specialist_Chard5231 27d ago
There are hand dry products you can put on for shooting as well. Or even grip chalk.
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u/Goliad1990 27d ago
However how does one get better at this?
Exposure. People fail their driving tests all the time because they're terrified of the instructor sitting next to them and judging them, and then their nerves get the better of them and they start making stupid mistakes. Nearly everybody will pass and walk away with their driver's license on a subsequent attempt.
So if this is something you really want to do, try the course again. You've done it once before now, so now you know what to expect. Just take it easy and remember that it isn't boot camp. You're there for fun.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
I definitely fall into that group. I'm a fairly nervous driver and avoid peak hours.
I will try again but not really sure when I should attempt this. Like driving, the danger and potential for injury are always in the back of my mind for better but mostly worse.
Maybe it's more of a mental block than a physical one , and getting past that is easier said than done.
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u/Goliad1990 27d ago
I will try again but not really sure when I should attempt this. Like driving, the danger and potential for injury are always in the back of my mind for better but mostly worse.
That's the nerves talking, still. The only way to overcome the anxiety is to prove to yourself that you can do it. It's a range safety course, under the direct supervision of a qualified instructor. It's a safe environment.
Maybe it's more of a mental block than a physical one
It's 100% a mental block. There is no technique to racking the slide on a handgun (for the purpose of showing clear on the range), you just grab and pull. It was just nerves causing you to fumble.
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u/YourLoveLife 27d ago
Hey buddy. I don’t have anything to say about your past attempts, but I just wanted to say I’m rooting for you the next time you take it.
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u/LongRoadNorth 27d ago
If it was just for the pistol you struggled with, you could just get your pal instead of the rpal where there's no pistol portion.
It's not like you can buy pistols anymore anyways.
Otherwise wear gloves.
When I did mine a lot of people struggled with the pistols. They aren't as easy to pull the slide back as it looks in the movies. So much so to the point the instructor for mine said he used to work as an armorer on movie sets and they'd cut the springs to make it be easier.
One thing the instructor did say that makes it easier so you maintain barrel down range or in a safe direction. Turn your body 90 degrees. So if down range is north, turn so your feet are east (assuming right handed) keep muzzle pointing North. You can basically use both hands now. Have the gun around your stomach. Use left hand to hold slide and push south while pushing the gun north with your right hand.
Hope I explained that correctly but basically you're trying to use more of your hand in a natural grabbing position instead of just index and thumb pinching the back of the slide.
My wife and a few others in the course were all struggling with racking the slide since you need pretty good grip strength to do it.
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u/kookiemaster 27d ago
I remember practicing with my friend's sig and holy fuck was it hard as a tiny woman. Zero problems with the other models but that one, between the stifness and being a lefty, getting the thing to lock open was a giant pain. Thankfully the test was with a much smoother slide.
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u/beekermc 27d ago
What kind of pistol is it? Does it have front serrations on the slide?
Those can make it easier to rack the slide, as you hold the front serrations and push the pistol into it, instead of trying to pull it back.
Also, if you get good at it, it looks pretty cool.
Downside is, if you use a red dot, you get fingerprints on it more often.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago edited 27d ago
push the pistol into it, instead of trying to pull it back.
This is a tip I give newer shooters or people who don't have good pinch strength. Pushing is much easier than trying to pull with thumb and forefinger. Also you don't have to pinch it, you can overhand it and hold onto the slide with all the fingers.
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u/neck-tourniquet 27d ago
This is great advice, I remember when my armored car partner and I figured out "pushing" over "pulling" and it was a game changer.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
It had serrations but that didn't help in the slightest when it came to pulling the slide back with my sweaty hands.
Also I couldn't force it back. I'm not sure how to visualize pushing the pistol into the slide. Maybe that would be a better technique?
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u/Goliad1990 27d ago edited 27d ago
I'm not sure how to visualize pushing the pistol into the slide
If you're a right handed shooter, take the pistol in a firing grip with your right hand (finger off the trigger, obviously). Then firmly grab and hold the slide over the top with your left hand, and push the gun forward and away from the slide with your right hand. The slide rides on top of the frame under spring tension, so by this method, you're pushing the gun apart rather than pulling.
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u/Eglitarian 27d ago
You can also turn your body slightly to face your dominant side (while keeping pistol aimed down range) and grab the slide overhand with a reverse grip on your supporting hand. If you keep the pistol closer to yourself (again with no part of your body past the barrel and with barrel aimed down range inside of the lane) it’s a bit more mechanically advantageous for some people. It’s also a relaxed stance that keeps aiming down range easy and fights your natural urge to want to twist and turn the gun if you start to struggle.
Kinda like this: https://youtube.com/shorts/JFVS0_HFkJs?si=BqAw4FOVzZYSZMQU
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u/arcspyder 27d ago
Speak to a physician about what sounds like an anxiety disorder with hyperhidrosis. Until that’s managed, the test did what it did by gate keeping you away from firearms. Sorry if that’s tough to hear, but you need to work on yourself first before handling firearms for your safety and everyone else’s safety. People being overly supportive of you in the comments saying your current situation is okay are totally incorrect. Am an MD with PAL and you need to get some form of treatment before trying this again.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
Of course in my initial post I mentioned just that.
Obviously you would want to ensure that everyone is safe and confident in a hobby as dangerous as this one.
What type of treatments would you recommend I inquire about and based on my description from the initial post would it be a physical/ mental roadblock or some combination of the two?
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u/arcspyder 27d ago
Cognitive behavioural training (CBT) for the anxiety +/- an SSRI or other anti-anxiety medication.
Botox injections or glycopyrrolate tablets for the hyperhidrosis (sweaty hands).
You’ll get there! Just put in some work for the anxiety and sweaty hands (a few weeks to low months for those treatments to work) and you’ll be all set :)
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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 27d ago
Im going to go out on a limb here and assume the deactivated gun their using was probably a POS in its previous life, it isn't any better now and it probably hasn't been lubricated or taken care of.
I bring this up because your probably anxious, you want to show your competency and be a safe and responsible owner, and encountering this pistol probably through a curveball at you. They don't usually deactivate good firearms lol, I remember years ago doing my RPAL and the example they had was terrible, amd I was pretty comfortable with firearms at that point.
It might not be a bad idea to ask someone familiar with it to show you how they rack the slide. You wouldn't struggle with an unfamiliar firearm in real life situations and I think any good instructor would respect you asking for help/advice before hand, especially if this particular firearm is difficult to handle. But talk to them before you go into your practical.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
That is fair, but I'd still want to be familiar with common issues like this. In a range situation when I'm solo, I would have to deal with issues like this myself.
I did ask for assistance beforehand but due to the group nature of the class, I was unable to become familiarized within the short time period, and the 1:1 time was extremely limited.
I was told to book a retest, but due to a combination of factors I have not yet and am unsure of if/when I will again.
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u/Inside-Profile-5865 27d ago
You said you’re based in Toronto. I think you should maybe invest in some 1:1 with a firearms instructor?
They all have memberships at different clubs and will spend plenty of time with you at the safety table working on how to handle the slide before going in to the shooting area. The written instructions provided here from the community are amazing, but hands on practice is essential.
For instruction, I recommend contacting Rouge River Arms. Maya & Chris are amazing people. sales@rougeriverarms.com
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u/Tuberculosis9 27d ago
I’m going to second this suggestion. Silverdale Gun Club is a bit of a hike from Toronto, but if you’re up for that drive you can schedule a supervised shoot with one of their ROs.
I inherited a K98 and had some nerves about taking that one out at first. It’s a larger caliber than I’m used to, and an 80 year old rifle. 1 on 1 time helped immensely and was all I needed.
I’d also look into .22 bolt action rifles to start. You can shoot them benched and use a bipod, which might help you feel like you’ve got more control.
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u/ThrowRA_That_Owl_25 27d ago
Can you describe how you were trying to pull the slide back?
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
Using the fleshy mound of the palm and the thumb of the right hand to force the slide back while using the thumb of the left to put the slide lock on. Neither of which I was successful with.
I also tried pinching with thumb and index finger of the right hand but that also failed.
Eventually I tried forcing it by any means necessary but that obviously started invalidating my acts/proves and trigger discipline.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago edited 27d ago
Edit: now I'm not sure what you are describing
You don't need to activate the slide lock to charge the gun. You only use that if want to lock it open. If what you described is correct, you needed some better instruction.
Either way the slide should freely be moving. It is meant to do that for the firing function of the gun.
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u/SandySpectre 27d ago
I’ve yet to try it but I’ve been recommended liquid chalk to dry out my hands. Like you my hands sweat excessively when I’m either stressed or when I start working with little fiddley things. When they get going I can cup my palm on a counter and leave a pool of sweat behind after a minute. I either wear a pair of nitrile gloves or the thin woven gloves with the dipped palm and fingers. I tried wearing a pair of mechanics gloves but they’re too bulky. One of my friends is a lifter and he uses this liquid chalk that dries pretty quickly and doesn’t leave a residue but absorbs hand sweat.
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u/Vituperate250 27d ago
Grab a pair of gloves, like well fitted Mechanix or something like that. Shooting with gloves is a good idea anyway, and they might give you the extra grip you need to comfortably operate the slide.
Others have said "practice" and they're right. I regularly handle my firearms at home, and dry fire practice with snap caps in my centrefire rifles too. You can never be too familiar with a powerful tool like a firearm. I would bet that familiarity will help you stay calm when you're operating your firearm(s).
Also it might be working on some calming exercises if you don't have any already. Grounding, breath work, whatever works for you. Getting flustered on a live range can present a safety hazard, and it's a totally natural thing to have happen if a firearm malfunctions or other range users are making you nervous, so being able to come down and chill will be a really powerful skill to have in your pocket.
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u/Red_Shrinp556 27d ago
You said your hands sweat profusely and you wear gloves while playing video games, maybe you could try asking the instructor if you can wear gloves?
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u/TheRip91 27d ago
You can try using Driclor. Its an over the counter antiperspirant. I used to have to use it in Highschool because of just natural extreme sweating during those teen years. Hands. Feet, armpits etc. Just follow the instructions, dont over use it.
I believe Walmart carries it.
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u/Imaginary-Text4690 27d ago
Why were you so scared/nervous? Were you scared of the gun itself or were you scared of failing the course and making dumb moves?
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u/Imaginary-Text4690 27d ago
Also why didn’t you wear gloves then, it seems like you either have some sort of illness or something. Like you said something isn’t normal literally children shoot guns a lot and use guns, it only take like 16 pounds to be able to pull slide back. Idrk where to start definitely just try getting basic confidence up if you were that nervous of anything specific like the course or the gun itself
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u/dv20bugsmasher 27d ago
Get an airsoft, bb or pellet gun that functions the same and practice with that somewhere safe and where you wont bother anyone(out pf public view, they look real and you dont want to scare someone) some of the nicer ones look, feel and function very similarly to the real thing, someone at a store can hopefully help you find something like that. Even if you go pass next time having it could be a fun way to target shoot a bit for cheap, the real thing tends to be more money.
With that said though, you clearly have some anxiety about this, you should be extremely careful while handling firearms, if you arent calm you arent thinking as clearly and it could lead to an error which reduces safety, not just in the test but in general. If you get back to the range and shooting id start very small and work your way up, like furst a single round in a 22, then slpwly scale, if you find yourself becoming anxious stop until you can calm down, try to bring another person who knows what theyre doing to keep an eye on things. This spunds like some pretty serious anxiety about either guns or tests, if its guns it might be best to stick to something non lethal until you can figure out how to cope better. Honestly might not even be a terrible idea to speak to some form of professional, someone might be able to help you talk through things and it may be beneficial just in general, we all need a little helping hand sometimes.
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u/Wifehatesguns 27d ago
It’s completely understandable to be nervous. Not only are you dealing with firearms but you’re also being tested and watched very closely.
I would suggest you spend some time practicing with a dummy. Maybe even recording yourself until it’s second nature.
You’ll get there.
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u/Sean__Gotti 27d ago
I’m just going to reinforce what some others have said. Get some gloves. Mechanix are good. Hopefully that will help you with your grip.
Instead of pinching the rear of the slide and trying to pull it, place your hand over the top of the slide. You’ll get more surface area contact with your hand, and can use your hand that is on the grip to also push the gun into the slide.
Think of it like this, your hand over the top is pulling the slide towards you, and your hand on the grip is pushing the frame away from you. Watch some YouTube videos on different ways to rack a pistol and that will show up. I have no problems racking a slide and this is still my preferred way of doing it.
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u/brokenringlands 27d ago
I wore and still wear gloves anytime handling firearms for the same reasons: sweaty hands.
The thinner mechanics gloves without padding anywhere work well.
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u/Emantr1 27d ago
It's reassuring to see that this situation is not unheard of. Others here have recommended mechanix gloves but from a quick search they seem much too padded for the fine motor skills required with firearms usage.
Is there a specific brand or type that you can recommend?
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u/Specialist_Chard5231 27d ago
Don't wear gloves. That's terrible advice. They snag and get caught. The finger ends get caught in the slide. Go to a IPSC match no one wears gloves unless it's cold.
Try grip chalk or hand dry.
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u/kookiemaster 27d ago edited 27d ago
Do you have someone who owns a pistol and is a member at a range who could take you not so much to shoot but do something similar to what the test required. I know practicing at home with a friend with actual firearms totally helped me for my safety course.
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u/Agent_1812 https://youtu.be/mrAwb9ptu9U 27d ago
As a range safety instructor; sorry to hear this, go talk to your doctor
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u/SpinachStunning5547 27d ago
Maybe it will be an unpopular opinion since it is really not the samd but maybe buy an airsoft replica and practice with it. Safety procedures and manipulation of the gun have to become mecanical. So if you have something you can drill with until you don't even have to think about it. Practive with wet hands. Practice every day. You will get it!
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u/snakeleather45 26d ago
Dude, you need to build some confidence. You also need to SLOW DOWN. There is no time limit that I am aware of. Be methodical. When it comes to racking the slide, push the grip while holding the slide firmly. I have trained lots of women who come across this issue, and when they adjust, and start pushing the grip while pulling the slide they find it much easier.
You can do it. You are just getting in your head about it too much. Take your time and use some chalk if need be.
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u/Flafson 26d ago
Sounds like a specific type of test at your gun range, we didn't really have those. Instead, we had what they call minimum of 6 signoffs where they pair you with an instructor and you shoot his firearms or yours if you have any, they focus more on handguns cause it's easier to be safe with a rifle so you end up practicing with a handgun almost every time if not all of them.
I can tell you that for me handgun was harder cause you need strong fingers or have good technique (which comes from experience), key is being safe by always pointing the gun down range and listening to the instructor and everything else is just practice.
Was also more difficult for me cause I'm a lefty and almost all of them were meant for righties but you learn to manage with some practice.
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u/SilenceOfTheBoreal 26d ago
Shooting gloves, deep breaths, remember it's okay to go slow (slow is steady and steady is fast). You got way too in your head about it. You got this. You had a panic attack, that's all. You'll have to learn to control those/see a therapist about it, honestly. You may have an anxiety disorder from the sounds of it. Speaking from experience.
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u/groggygirl 25d ago
Some advice from a woman with tiny hands who had similar problems with pistols until I figured this out half way through my RPAL course:
- Change your body position relative to the gun.
- Generally guys teach you to pull back the slide while standing behind the gun, but biomechanically that's not a great position.
- Keep the gun in place (pointing downrange), pivot your body until you're facing the gun's left side, hold the gun close enough to you that your arms have a fair bit of slack and are in a comfortable working position (ie not straight arms...mine are almost at 90 degrees), and then push the slide to your right. It still takes a couple tries because every slide is different and some are super stiff, but it should be easier.
My other advice:
- Try gloves. There are tactical gloves (Outdoor Research makes some nice ones), but I suspect even fingerless gloves might help you deal with sweat without messing with your finger feel.
- Go to Dollarama and grab a plastic pistol. Put it on your kitchen/diningroom table and pick a direction to be downrange. Put it in a tupperware container, and pretend you're unboxing it and run through the SAFE/PROVE on it. Pretend to load it, aim, and fire. It won't weigh as much as a real gun, but it'll get you familiar with the process and the body positions so that you're less likely to lose barrel and trigger discipline.
- Grab a 2-3lb weight. Pretend it's a gun. Transition between the shooting position (which is awkward as hell if you're not used to it), pretend you're aiming and firing (if you've got a dumbell line up the edges like an iron sight), and then move to the resting position. Do this for 5 minutes a couple times a day.
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u/Necessary_Field_8424 25d ago
I competition shoot (IPSC) and use chalk to improve grip. Especially in the summers where it gets sweaty.
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u/siming_z 27d ago
I truly respect your effort and would love to encourage you but I have to be honest. It sounds like you should NOT be handling firearms, the exam did exactly what it’s designed for. If you get into this state on a live range it would be extremely dangerous for everyone. Please, for your own sake and others, maybe just choose another hobby, do not put people’s lives at risk.
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u/airchinapilot 27d ago
Some people indeed shouldn't be handling guns. However, we are not professionals here and are only going by what is being said. OP is going to work through these issues in real life and either pass the course or not in the future.
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u/Specialist_Chard5231 27d ago
Also ignore this guy. This is terrible advice. Work on being comfortable and not nervous. That's just comes with exposure and doing things at your own pace.
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u/International_Mud367 27d ago
First of all let me tell u some truth brother. Everyone in this community wants you to succeed and no one is judging you. Take some breaths. Keep trying, this is a challenge you can overcome and it's ok to fail it. There was a guy at my safety course that was on his fourth attempt and he passed with us and it was amazing to see the range officers and other attendees support and encourage him for finally making it. This community is so tight man, don't get discouraged you can do this!