r/canadaguns • u/airchinapilot • Jun 16 '26
News / Politics / Activism Canada Is Banning Guns for How They Look | Blair Hagen, NFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B37k4d2XLGM&t=332sInterview of Blair Hagen, President of NFA by Travis Bader of Silvercore
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u/Lumindan Jun 16 '26
Canada's treatment of firearms ownership is basically the perfect argument for the folks in the US.
We've gone so far off the deep end and yet crime still persists. It's almost like targeting lawful owners has never been the correct play (for actual public safety).
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u/MasterScore8739 Jun 16 '26
I tell so many American friends and strangers this.
They always say they should register them at a minimum “because you register your car, how is it any different.”When they try and fight the argument of registration leading to confiscation, I mention the multiple times it’s happened and is currently happening here.
Canadian gun owners tried to be reasonable and accept restrictions. It’s gotten us nowhere but backwards. It’s why I’m so happy there’s such a heavy and open push back on these OICs. It’s been needed for a while.
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u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam Jun 17 '26
I mean, legal gun owners are already screened way more often than car owners. If I do a bad thing, it gets flagged fairly quickly and then a friendly, neighbourhood police man comes to take my guns away, never to be seen again and me likely never being able to own them again.
I agree some things should probably be banned(imo, there is no need for a full auto gun aside and mag capacities might save you a bit of money so you don't go through 200$ worth of ammo) but I don't see a need for basically all of the bans. Even restricted firearms have fairly strict rules already.
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u/MasterScore8739 Jun 17 '26
Honestly, I do agree with you on the ‘machine gun ban’ side of things.
It might be a hot take, but there is no reason for civilians to own a real machine gun…Unless you’re being attacked by a massive hoard of gophers of course.
The magazine capacity limits absolutely help us gun owners save a bit of money. Think of the increase in taxes the government could collect if they allowed us to use standard capacity magazines though. Plus we’d be to broke from buying ammo to cause any other problems. lol
I do agree though, restricted firearms had fairly strict laws already. There wasn’t anything outside of going directly to and from ranges you could do with them.
That said, I do wish we could hunt with handguns though. Some some heavily wooded hunting lands where handguns could absolutely make sense, specially due to the limited ranges available.
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 17 '26
Switzerland permits civilians to purchase machine guns and it has a 4x lower gun crime rate per capita than Canada.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons for collectors. By that logic no one needs a sports car, as it far exceeds any legal speed limit for roads.
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u/MasterScore8739 Jun 17 '26
To be fair, the Swiss also have mandatory military service for its male citizens. I feel like that plays a massive part in why they’re able to purchase machine guns. Specially since upon retiring from the military, you can choose to buy your service rifle.
As a side note, I’ve made and continue to make the argument of wants VS needs. I’ve also said multiple times that nobody needs a car capable of going over 120km/hr, yet we all own cars capable of easily doing it.
Same goes for the ‘assault *style*’ shenanigans. I’ve said multiple times that if a firearm looking a certain way makes it more dangerous, then adding a fart can and a big spoiler to a 90’s Civic makes it a racecar.
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u/SwissBloke Jun 17 '26
To be fair, the Swiss also have mandatory military service for its male citizens
Military service hasn't been mandatory since 1996, and barely half of Swiss men of a given year end-up going through the military
I feel like that plays a massive part in why they’re able to purchase machine guns
Military service isn't, and has never been, a requirement to buy or own any guns including select-fires
Specially since upon retiring from the military, you can choose to buy your service rifle
Which is converted to semi-automatic upon purchase. Also, less than 10% of soldiers do that and acquisition of former-issued guns are outnumbered by a factor of 14:1 to 42:1 by other permit-guns purchases in the same year
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u/MasterScore8739 Jun 17 '26
Okay, I didn’t think I would have to break it down Barney style.
I understand military service isn’t required for firearms ownership over there. However it’s fairly common for people within the military to be interested in firearms.
I do remember hearing about the rifles being converted to semi-auto, but again that still plays into why there’s such a high number of firearm ownership. I’m sure if any other militaries allowed their retiring members to purchase their service rifle, even with it being converted, a lot of members would do so.
As for military service not being mandatory, I’ll give you half that argument.
That’s directly quoted from a Swiss government website. So the choice for males is either military or public service, which I honestly think is a great idea.
Side note: how the heck do you quote now?
It always used to be as simple as putting a “>” in front of the first word.0
u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam Jun 17 '26
I'm not Swiss but everything I'm seeing onlines mandatory service is still in effect for able bodied men. Could you direct me to where is says otherwise?
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u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam Jun 17 '26
If they are a collector, could they not buy a deactivated machine gun if they wanted? I personally can't think of a legitimate reason to be able to buy a fully automatic weapon aside from shooting it is fun.
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 18 '26
Yea… generally destroying the firearm like that ruins the value of the collectible item in the first place…
I mean if anything thats fun shouldn’t be allowed we should just make our society ultra safe and everyone be imprisoned. That would be extremely safe…
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u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam Jun 17 '26
My biggest beef with the mag limit is the pinning and how easy some of them are to break. Accidentally break it? Oops, that's illegal.
I agree with hunting and handguns. Some areas it does make sense. Or even as a hiking self defense weapon. Way easier to carry around a hand gun for protection while hiking that a rifle or shotgun.
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u/MasterScore8739 Jun 17 '26
Yeeaaaah, I do hate the pinning of mags thing. However to play devils advocate, I think it’s at least a reasonable compromise. We could be limited to magazines that are not capable of intentionally or accidentally accepting more than five rounds.
I do agree that a handgun would be nice for hiking. I’d even be willing to have to jump through an extra licensing level for it to be made available. Of course have the RPAL be a requirement, but then have an add-on so it’s an HRPAL (hiking/hunting RPAL). Part of that requirement would be the use of a brightly coloured level 3 holster while hiking or hunting.
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 17 '26
Meanwhile Czechia added a 2nd amendment to its constitution in 2022 and it has massively lower gun crime than Canada on a per capita basis…
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u/StalkerRigo Jun 16 '26
AKs, suppressors, mag cap, all that was done 30 years ago. trudeau OICs are just another step forward with the general plan
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 17 '26
Which is why we need Conservatives to keep their promise of implementing Simplified Classification System (SCS) it un does all those name and RCMP “variant” bans.
Suppressors would be great to have legalized as we are one of the only countries other than Russia that bans them…
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u/StalkerRigo Jun 17 '26
Although many countries in Europe allow the possession of suppressors, its pretty common around the underdeveloped world to prohibit it. Very rare to possess them outside EU/NA/NZ...
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u/waitwhatnothing Jun 17 '26
Suppressors have been prohibited since at least the 50’s actually.
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u/StalkerRigo Jun 17 '26
Really? Didn't know that, thank for the clarification. I've been reading about the laws and all and I bundled everything before the time I was born together.
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u/waitwhatnothing Jun 17 '26
Yeah it actually predates Hollywood action movies etc.
Exact date is hard to find but there was a thread about it recently, it was some time between the late 20’s and the early 50’s. Same era as when the NFA effectively banned suppressors in the US.
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 17 '26
This is why we need the Conservatives to keep their promise of implementing the Simplified Classification System (SCS) an actual objective system, also would remove all the name bans and RCMP “variants” bans.
Amnesty for the bans/OIC ban removal is just a bandaid fix.
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u/Lumindan Jun 17 '26
Removing the OIC bans would be the easiest win for them if they form a government because it takes nothing (and they'd lose a lot if they didn't). At the very least this would get some momentum in stimulating the industry (if AR15s were legal tomorrow, I'm pretty sure ranges and gun shops would make bank).
Simplified classification would be the ideal follow up to have some longer term protections. They have quite a few members at the moment who have spoken up about it.
Amnesty for the bans/OIC ban removal is just a bandaid fix.
The longer the liberals keep the program running, the more they hurt the culture which is a long term win for them as they price/push more folks out.
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 17 '26
Sure, I’m not saying not to remove the OIC. If the Conservatives form government they can do that the first day with a stroke of a pen as its just an OIC.
But some of the bans are codified into law. Meaning either way even to get back to square one pre-Trudeau bans the Conservatives will have to touch the Firearms Act in order to do that regardless, so they have no good reason to not keep their word and implement the Simplified Classification System. most other countries have it including majority of EU countries.
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u/DougMacRay617 Jun 16 '26
What rock have these guys been living under? They were banning guns off looks in the 90's
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u/Nervous-Muffin-6691 Jun 16 '26
I wouldn’t pay attention to Canadian firearms laws if I wasn’t Canadian. I think the bans have been very egregious since 2020 and social media play a bigger part in more people knowing now vs the 90’s
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u/Many-Presentation-56 Jun 17 '26
Hollywood bans… if it shows up in a scawy movie RCMP and politicians ban it, it’s insane thats how are gun laws are based off
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u/airchinapilot Jun 16 '26
Unfair. The interview is very wide ranging about the state of firearms regulations. It's not just about that. You're just looking at the title image.
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u/DropMeAnOrangeBeam Jun 17 '26
I mean, I'm just reading your thread title and that's what it says.
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u/airchinapilot Jun 17 '26
I didn't name it, man. You should really watch the interview. It's a pretty good discussion by two people who have been involved on our side for a long time. Maybe they should have renamed the title something better but the interview is good.
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u/DiomedesWrath Jun 16 '26
One thing I will grant our system pre-2020, is the PAL system provided the background and safety training (easiness of the course aside) that the yanks sorely lack.
Posted to Colorado for a few years and between getting flagged at the gun counter by fuckwits and having to pay for every background check, I ALMOST miss our firearm system. Almost
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u/Doc911 Blaser Rifles & Beretta Shotguns Jun 17 '26
Embarrassingly, the actual federal program is called the “Assault-sTyLe Firearms Compensation Program.” Not assault firearms. Not firearms with an assault function. Assault-style.
We’ve apparently reached the point where public policy is being written around aesthetics, without any evidence based data to support reduction in criminal forearm use, and, without the support of the great majority of actual law enforcement leadership. The childish immature unsupported operating principle seems to be, if it looks scary enough, it must be.
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u/Murray3-Dvideos Jun 16 '26
Admittedly no. Its even worse then that. Banning guns for a couple seats in Quebec.
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u/Feeling-Water-6824 Jun 22 '26
Poly tells government what to ban. I'm sure they would be happy to throw every licensed gun owner in prison just for owning a firearm. Poly has the government by its balls and yanks on them when they want another ban. Mainstream media pedals the lies and misinformation to the public.
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u/Relevant_Diver_3228 Jun 16 '26
We figured that out when they started banning .22s