Can you get ammo for antiques without a PAL

[u/Royal-Aviator07]

This may be a stupid question but ill ask anyways can you get ammo for an antique/antiques without a PAL i tried searching and asking before but i dont get an answer

[u/GoingBallistik]

Purchasing ammunition requires a PAL

[u/Acc4Wtf → u/[deleted]]

Not having a PAL is whack. Don't be whack.

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[u/throwawayposterx → u/GoingBallistik]

that's a massive L for anyone actually trying to collect old stuff. it's wild that you can own the gun but you can't even buy the shells to shoot it without the paperwork. legit makes the whole antique loophole pointless.

[u/greasygreenbastard → u/throwawayposterx]

lol bruh, just get a pal??? 

Its almost like criminal hands typed this post 

[u/yummybunnybear → u/throwawayposterx]

"trying to collect old stuff" That's the key word: "old stuff". The gun is old. Ammunition is new (assuming you don't have 150 year old ammo lying around). You need a PAL to buy new stuff. It's not a hard concept.

[u/Mahatma_Ghandicap → u/[deleted]]

... if you're not shady

[u/Cope180-Enjoyer → u/Mahatma_Ghandicap]

Like those individuals from Ontario "Target" shooting on crown land into the air that are stupid enough to post it on instagram but for some reason won't get criminal charges for endangering the public.

[u/Otherwise_Rub_9515 → u/Cope180-Enjoyer]

Obviously... 

Liberals would say that's racist, anti immigration, MAGA, TRUMP and xenophobic. 

Now imagine some guy named Todd did that+

[u/Dependent_Account603]

You used to be able to buy all the components you needed to reload your own ammo without a PAL.

Few years ago they made it mandatory to have a pal to buy gun powder.

Many stores will enforce this for primers to. But it's not the law.

With that said, its only illegal to buy. You can still as a someone without a PAL make your own powder.

[u/Hinter_Lander → u/Dependent_Account603]

Nope its illegal in Canada to make black powder or any other kind of gun powder.

[u/Dependent_Account603 → u/Hinter_Lander]

There's an exemption for manufacturing cartouches for personal use. It's a little vague, probably untested in court.

[u/Hinter_Lander → u/Dependent_Account603]

The cartouches is just assembling ammunition not manufacturing powder.

[u/Dependent_Account603 → u/Hinter_Lander]

Part of manufacturing cartridges could be argued is manufacturing the components of it. Likely untested in court.

[u/Acceptable_Visit_115]

Most antiques do not have readily available ammunition for them so you have to make your own.

Former Bill C-21 made PAL mandatory for buying gunpowder (smokeless or black powder) circa. 2023-24. Prior to that, an unlicensed individual can legally acquire all components required to manufacture ammunition. Not any more.

[u/Natural_Comparison21 → u/Acceptable_Visit_115]

Looks like going bat shit crazy is back on the menu boys. /for those who know.

[u/H0B013 → u/Acceptable_Visit_115]

Is that an official gooberment document? Those morons dont even know what PAL stands for. "Purchase and Acquisition License" smh

[u/Acceptable_Visit_115 → u/H0B013]

Yeah it's written by NRCan, the department that regulates explosives.

Not like the leader of Public Safety knows what PAL stands for either anyways.

[u/captlevasseur]

Not to mention that for the most part, to qualify as an antique, it needs to take mostly not available ammunition. There are some exceptions of course (.44 russian for example is available from commercial reloaders)

[u/Vintage_Pieces_10 → u/captlevasseur]

I’d say a good handful of available antiques violate that silly rule. 44 Russians as you said, low pressure smokeless 45ACP reloads for Webleys and MAS 1873 revolvers. Even 455 Webley is pretty easy. 32cal for Swiss revolvers. There’s a few antiques that have some easily acquirable ammunition imo

[u/Acceptable_Visit_115 → u/Vintage_Pieces_10]

Yeah but you can't buy reduced power 45ACP over the counter.

[u/H0B013 → u/Acceptable_Visit_115]

The mas 1873 is so over built it can run normal .45acp without issue

[u/Vintage_Pieces_10 → u/Acceptable_Visit_115]

Hard to find but you can from some gun shops (usually special order and will run 150-200$ for house made ones)

[u/Dependent_Account603 → u/captlevasseur]

You can buy a trapdoor Springfield and they'll run cowboy 45-70 loads which Winchester makes. They'll actually run saami spec 45-70 but it's generally considered unwise. The existence of the trapdoor Springfield is why most factory 45-70s are underloaded. To get full power from your modern 45-70 you need to handload or buy bear loads.

Now another question is since antique rifles aren't considered firearms, are you allowed to saw them off down to pistol length?

[u/Vintage_Pieces_10 → u/Dependent_Account603]

The last part of your comment is actually pretty curious, since there’s antique pistols with barrels sawed off to 1.5-3” and they’re still legal to buy and sell. I’d be curious if the law extends to antique rifles (not that I would cut one down, at least a vintage, but it’s interesting theory craft)

[u/567432Gains]

Dude. Just get your PAL.

It’s worth it, it’s not that much money to begin with and if you cannot afford it then firearms (especially antiques) are WAY out of your price range.

[u/Ok-Raise-5115]

That’s the neat part, you don’t lol

[u/Top_Importance6216]

"this might be a stupid question"

extremely.

[u/outline8668]

Another thing not mentioned so far is while you can not buy ammo or ammo components without a PAL, it is perfectly legal for someone else to give you the ammo/components and legal for you to possess them without a license.