r/canadaguns • u/platonusus • Jun 08 '26

News / Politics / Activism Police claims there are 13 firearms on this picture

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

FYI, air rifles are considered firearms when used in crime/for charges. They are only federally deemed non-firearms for transfer, storage, transportation, discharge, etc.

Specifically, they are only considered non-firearms for the purpose of the Criminal Code sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03, plus certain provisions in the Firearms Act (storage & transportation, for example). 

Additionally, their discharge might be governed by provincial and municipal bylaws. Certain cities prohibit the use of air guns and crossbows within city borders because they are legally firearms under the bylaw, even if they are exempted federally.

Source:

Criminal Code Section 84

Plain English interpretation from the RCMP: "These air guns are exempt from the specific safe storage, transportation and handling requirements set out in the regulations supporting the Firearms Act. However, the Criminal Code requires that you take reasonable precautions to use, carry, handle, store, transport and ship them in a safe and secure manner."

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u/Beers_n_Deeres Jun 08 '26

Exactly, those CO2 pistols that you can buy at princess auto will get you the same charge as a real Glock 19 if used in relation to a crime.

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u/thecanadiantommy Jun 08 '26

And it's a fucking good thing

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u/lettelsnek Jun 08 '26

bad thing when we consider that this prevents us from full access to airsoft guns 🙁

other countries have a max FPS limit, for us the issue is our MINIMUM fps is too high. for example all japanese market airsoft guns are restricted to an fps too low to be legal in canada.

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u/thecanadiantommy Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

I don't get it? We have access to all airsoft under 500fps, there is no minimum threshold in the law for BB gun's to my knowledge, are airsoft regulated under an other law?

EDIT : I just went to read on it and holy crap it's so dumb. But still anything resembling and passing has a firearm during a crime should be considered such for sentencing.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 09 '26

Yes, the minimum speed limit is a thing because in the 1992-95 gun bans they decided to make "replicas" illegal.

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u/EliteDuck Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26

This is incorrect. FPS is measured on import (which is why it takes so long). Japanese GBBR/GBBPs use duster gas, which is way lower pressure than green gas/propane. The spec sheet's FPS is based on using duster gas. The CBSA uses green gas/propane for testing, which results in higher FPS. For models that would have too low FPS even with propane, they're imported with a long internal barrel installed, then swapped back to the stock short one after import by the retailer.

The low minimum does cause issues for AEPs though, which is why you'll never see them for sale in Canada, other than the odd one like an MP7 being marketed as an "AEP" when it's not.

I really don't know why you're saying this, as pretty much every airsoft retailer in the country carries Tokyo Marui GBBPs (hicapas), GBBRs (MWS system rifles), and and NBB pistols without issue.

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u/lettelsnek Jun 10 '26

the minimum fps here is 3xx something. many airsoft guns sold in other markets are below that.

if the fps falls below that limit it's no longer considered a "firearm" and instead becomes a replica firearm - which is prohibited

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u/Celidor-KE Jun 13 '26

Examples of laws from other countries are used as a basis for promoting law changes within your own country.

If a law is successful or appears to be successful, it is easier to convince others to adopt it or a similar version of it. In case of Canada we have also made laws mostly out of fear of some of the laws in the U.S.

You can ignore how things are done outside of your own borders but it doesn't mean the influence stops.

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 Jun 11 '26

As far as charges against criminals yes, but they also include these air guns and plastic toy squirt guns seized in raids in their statistics about gun crimes in Canada

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u/thecanadiantommy Jun 12 '26

Oh yeah two seperate issues, stat can and the government is good at only showing the stats that proves their point.

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u/RodgerWolf311 Jun 09 '26

But were they ACTUALLY used in a crime? Or did simply find them in the home and simply assumed they were used.

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u/Beers_n_Deeres Jun 09 '26

Why are you asking me? I just commented on how the law interprets possession of them.

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u/Mahatma_Ghandicap Jun 08 '26

Yep - as much as it may chap our asses they are not technically lying.

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u/BritBuc-1 Jun 08 '26

Same with crossbows. It’s the occasion when “technically correct” is the worst type of correct.

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u/artificialsnow Jun 08 '26

Crossbows actually don't meet the broader Criminal Code definition of "firearms", which is a barrelled weapon from which a projectile can be fired which is capable of causing bodily harm or death. Crossbows also cannot realistically be adapted for use with a barrel - "adaptability" being the catch that converts things like gun parts into "firearms" for Criminal Code purposes. However, they are legally "weapons" in almost all cases, so there are still limits on what you can do with them.

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u/givemehellll al Jun 08 '26

Hearing a legit response in one of these threads is refreshing.

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u/rogue_noob Jun 09 '26

"If it's real enough to use in a crime, it's real enough to be charged for the crime" is what an ex cop told me.

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u/TheSessionMan Jun 08 '26

And good pellet guns can absolutely be lethal, so I'm fine with these classifications

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u/RodgerWolf311 Jun 09 '26

And good pellet guns can absolutely be lethal

And those in the photo arent that. They are the cheap pieces of shit from Canadian Tire that are sub-495 fps.

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u/TheSessionMan Jun 09 '26

Sure but then if you're trying to make sub categories of air guns you're adding even MORE regulation/gun control. Easier to just call an air gun used in a crime a firearm.

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u/FortyMaximus Jun 08 '26

Came here to say this

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u/Brapika Jun 08 '26

The knuckle dusters are over 495fps.

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u/MourningWood1942 Jun 08 '26

Like the power fist from Fallout

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u/ekso69 Jun 08 '26

Shot out of a potato cannon

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u/SniperTeamTango Jun 08 '26

Even if we ignore airguns/crossbows, anyone else get 12???

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u/fiercelyblazed Jun 08 '26

Plastic bag top left maybe?

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u/Bulld4wg45 Jun 08 '26

Average Canadians basement

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Jun 09 '26

all it needs is a can of bear mace and baton and you have the "low tier thug/criminal" starter pack

too dumb and or has a record to get a pal. but not criminally involved enough to get access to the illegal ones from the states. so they just go to the local overpriced surplus store and clear them out.

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u/hogancheveippoff Jun 08 '26

there is an old blackpowder pirate gun in the bag (upper left)

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u/Upstairs-Zebra8115 Jun 08 '26

It's like "Where's Waldo". You're right, the plastic bag in the upper left is the 13th.

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u/SharkBiscuittt Jun 08 '26

Hopefully if the government can dump another billion into the buy back program they could get dangerous air guns off the streets

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u/mustang-4life Jun 08 '26

Typical Propaganda meant to scare people

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u/Murray3-Dvideos Jun 08 '26

They need to start getting better about explaining what kinds of "firearms" these actually are. With the way they operate currently, I argue that they are intentionally misleading the public to boost PR.

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u/Spydude84 Jun 09 '26

As long as we aren't making stupid policy based on the "surface level" claims, I'm okay with this. When used in commission of a crime, a fake gun is still terrifying, and should be sentenced as such. No easy penalties for idiots doing that. As long as we don't ban airsoft guns for this, I'm okay.

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u/theservman on Jun 08 '26

Well, one of those crossbows has two sets of limbs. That's the only way I get to 13, even counting the airguns and crossbows.

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u/Whispersfine Jun 08 '26

What are those in the right bin on the bottom? Bags of weed? 🤣

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u/NEUMANN-METALWORKS Neumann Metalworks Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

What you never heard of the Fiddlehead smugglers?

Edit: holy shit I didn't realize who this was about. This guy is infamous around Moncton for selling stolen cars on marketplace. Glad the cops actually did something about it. Douchebag finally got what was coming to him, but I'm surprised it took this long, buddy was so ridiculously brazen.

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u/platonusus Jun 08 '26

Probably 1 kilo of cocaine mentioned in the article

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u/Whispersfine Jun 08 '26

Emmmm raw cocaine? Wow that’s bonkers

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u/NecessaryRisk2622 Jun 08 '26

Bit of a stretch, unless you’re in BC.

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u/No_Heat_6072 Jun 08 '26

i see 2 X-Bow
2 x Pellet Rifles, possibly 3.
and the rest are.....variable.

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u/FreedomFighter2105 Jun 08 '26

full auto knuckle duster, I see you

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u/Popfartshart Jun 08 '26

12 pellet guns and crossbows, 1 gun maybe?

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u/pictou Jun 08 '26

Police also weight dirt when they busy a grownop and apply a $50/gram price tag to it in order to look good. Too busy giving speeding tickets instead of enforcing the laws that need it.

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u/CrumblingCanada Jun 08 '26

I’m more perplexed by how terrible that weed looks

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u/Simple_Address1934 Jun 08 '26

A "firearm" at least having "fire" in it....

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u/amit_talukdar Jun 08 '26

sealed plastic bag on top left seems to have a co2 pistol

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u/SecureNarwhal Jun 09 '26

so the guy they arrested was arrested in 2017 for a bunch of crimes including guess what, unauthorized possession of a firearm.

Google his name and you'll find a couple articles about him.

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u/Familiar_Hunt_5164 Jun 09 '26

You mean they didn't find an inert Princess Auto surplus pineapple grenade prop to add to the collection? Lol

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u/Prize_Journalist9321 Jun 09 '26

Don’t air rifles shoot .22 cal bbs and or pellets? Thought they were classified as a gun?

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u/thecrankyfrog Jun 09 '26

Oh shit, never mind the guns. What about those rapid-fire-automatic-rifle-assault knuckles!?!

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u/CheesecakeEasy8952 Jun 10 '26

You can blow up the plastic bag and smash 💥 it!

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u/KorporalKarnage Jun 10 '26

Dunno about the guns but I do see $8 million dollars worth of marijuana!!!

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u/imjonjoncanada Jun 11 '26

Honestly, unpopular opinion, but I think we gotta focus more on Gary and the chipmunks, along with the rest of the ignorant government. The local cops seem to be more on our side.

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 Jun 11 '26

"The RCMP centre defines crime guns as firearms that were used or suspected to have been used in criminal offences, guns whose serial numbers have been obliterated or altered, firearms that were found but not reported lost or stolen, and replicas, toys, 3D-printed guns, pellet or air guns that have been used in criminal offences"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/most-crime-guns-traced-by-rcmp-came-from-within-canada-internal-reports-say/

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u/DYTREM Jun 08 '26

Disinformation = propaganda whether it's from the government, its agencies or its opponents.

It is no less despicable coming from the cops because it is meant to influence the public into supporting a specific agenda.

Our public institutions need to be re-educated about the imperatives of being:

  1. Factual
  2. Neutral and
  3. Apolitical.

They serve the public, not their own interest.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 08 '26

And factually speaking, most air rifles are firearms as per Section 2 of the Criminal Code. 

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u/groggygirl Jun 08 '26

Everyone's whining about it being propaganda but I'm guessing you wouldn't want any of these aimed at your kid during a robbery. If it's gun-shaped enough to scare the shit out of people and shoots projectiles that can maim and kill, I have no issue with them calling it a firearm.

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u/Murray3-Dvideos Jun 08 '26

Context is important tho. A criminal being in possession of a 12ga shotgun vs a pellet gun is something to distinguish to the general public. Laying out a table full of bb guns that look like rifles and handguns without even disclosing that they are toys anyone over 18 can buy is important.

Otherwise the Karen's see tables like this and freak out.

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u/SecureNarwhal Jun 09 '26

they are not distinguishable though when used in a crime (both in practice and in the legal sense)

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u/DoYouGetSarcasm Jun 08 '26

I see 10 plus 2 cross bows?

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u/84camaroguy Jun 08 '26

At least five of them are air guns.

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u/thecanadiantommy Jun 08 '26

Still considered a gun if used in a crime. See the other comment on this post detailing it.

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u/Relevant_Diver_3228 Jun 08 '26

Do crossbows count as firearms in this context like airguns do

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u/Primary_Judge Jun 08 '26

Omg, cannabis!

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u/Puzzleheaded-Park982 Jun 09 '26

According to firearm code, all air guns are actually classified as a prohibited firearm

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u/En4cr Jun 08 '26

What a joke. No powder no fire.

By the way things are going they’ll prohibit Nerfs and Super Soakers next.