r/canadaguns • u/SJHardware • Jun 04 '26

Gun and gear reviews Panzer arms M4 Speed Pro PSA magazine tube

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u/CruelHandLuke_ Jun 04 '26

Panzer Arms is a stupid name for a company.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 04 '26

Almost as stupid as Tokarev USA.

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u/coiine Jun 04 '26

It’s definitely a certain kind of choice to name your company after WWII Germany stuff.

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u/RcNorth al Jun 04 '26

Panzer is German for armour, so it kinda fits

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '26

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u/Ok-Regret6767 Jun 04 '26

In what way?

There are plenty of gun owners who don't care surplus at all.. and there is plenty of historical rifles that aren't German...

And there's also a massive difference between collecting a historical artifact, and naming your brand after something from the German army (unless maybe your brand exclusively sells parts for German surplus guns...)

Genuine question for you - why do you feel the need to defend WW2 era German things (a.k.a. Nazi things)? Why do you feel it's automatically pearl clutching to question why someone would name something unrelated a WW2 era German name...? If it was Adolf industries would you be making the same argument?

Again, these are genuine question, not attempts at gotchas, not attacks on you, I genuinely am interested in hearing your point of view.

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u/Aggravating-Spray820 Jun 04 '26

Panzer does not mean they are naming their company after a World War II German tank Germany still uses the name panzer in many vehicles today. In German, it means armour or armoured protection. There is no connection to that World War II group. Just cause that group use that word does not make it their word.

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u/coiine Jun 04 '26

That's a hot take. I'd argue there is a significant difference between owning a Mauser and branding your entire company around a WWII Germany tank you had nothing to do with. But you do you.

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u/Aggravating-Spray820 Jun 04 '26

Panzer does not mean they are naming their company after a World War II German tank Germany still uses the name panzer in many vehicles today. In German, it means armour or armoured protection. There is no connection to that World War II group.

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u/coiine Jun 04 '26

Some things are just a taste issue. PanzerUSA branding is all cringe...

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u/Ok-Regret6767 Jun 18 '26

Hey dude... Why won't you elaborate on your statement?

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u/Ok-Regret6767 20d ago

Honestly weird that you're too scared to explain yourself still...

True coward behavior.

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u/Vegetable-Army-4872 Jun 04 '26

I find it less offensive than a Turkish brand named Canuck. 

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u/coiine Jun 04 '26

It's not terribly offensive. That's a Canadian owned brand name but the guns are manufactured in Turkey, partially designed by Canadians, and imported by Canadians.

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u/Vegetable-Army-4872 Jun 04 '26

Partially designed by Canadians?

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u/coiine Jun 04 '26

Yeah that's their thing last I checked.

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u/Vegetable-Army-4872 Jun 04 '26

I just checked and found no reference to that. Lots of Turkish firearms are built in the same garages and living rooms and just branded differently by whoever imports them. 

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u/Xdust6 Jun 04 '26

So I understand that these mag tube extensions are legal, but honestly I’d really like it explained how they are legal. I thought there was an exemption from the 5 round limit for non detachable magazines but turns out I was mistaken.

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u/iamnoodlenugget Jun 04 '26

Someone feel free to correct me, but I believe the technicality is that pump actions don't have mag limits and they are likely categorized as sold for those models, and these just HAPPEN to also fit some semi auto models.

I bought a nova mag tube extension, that happens to fit the m2 as well 🤷

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u/SpectreBallistics Spectre Ballistics International (Verified) Jun 04 '26

That's not technically correct. The mag tube is a single component of the complete magazine. When assembled the complete magazine must not be over capacity for the type of firearm it's assembled on. The complete magazine on the shotgun is somewhat fuzzy since it's a mechanical system built into the action.

This means when assembled the magazine cannot accept more than 5 shells of the type the shotgun was designed for, eg 3" or 3.5". The tube alone is irrelevant what firearm and caliber it was made for.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 04 '26

This is the correct answer.

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u/Xdust6 Jun 04 '26

Okay, so if a tube extension I own would fit on my semi auto and make it illegal, is it illegal if it’s just sat in a box somewhere not attached to anything?

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u/SpectreBallistics Spectre Ballistics International (Verified) Jun 04 '26

It's just a tube until you build it into a mag. On its own, it's not a mag, but rather a component of one.

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u/CanadianBoyEh Jun 04 '26

Correct. Manual action rifles/shotguns of any kind (pump, bolt, lever etc) have no mag limit.

The “loophole” with a semi auto shotgun is that the 5 round limit is for the largest shell it can fire. So one with a 3.5” chamber that will hold a maximum of 5 rounds of 3.5” will also fit 7-8 rounds of 2.75”, and remain completely legal.

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u/Xdust6 Jun 04 '26

I mean that sounds legal?

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 04 '26

No, the one in OP is specifically for a semi and doesn't fit on pumps.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 04 '26

M4 ships with 4 round 3" (aka 5 rounds of 2.75") tubes.

It is legal to extend it to fit 5 rounds of 3" (or 6 rounds of 2.75", as a result).

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u/CruelHandLuke_ Jun 04 '26

That's why the Stoeger is a great gun for IPSC. It's chambered for a 3.5" shell.
Add a tube to give you 5.5 rounds of 3.5 and jam it full of 2.75. I think it holds 8 in that configuration.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Jun 04 '26

Can you ghost load? I did that on the Beretta and it holds 7+2.

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u/goshathegreat Jun 04 '26

They aren’t legal if they’re unpinned…

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u/Xdust6 Jun 04 '26

Clears that up.

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u/CarrsCurios Jun 06 '26

So do these Turkish M4s actually work / hold up?

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u/SJHardware Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

It depends of how you scale it Most people don't use there guns much , and manufacturers know this. It's like a gym membership, the whole gym industry is bast on 40% of the members not turning up.

If you are a 1000 rd a year kind of person your better Turkish shotguns may last a few years The cheaper once may not last a,week of its a,semi auto

If your a 500 rds month or more you are not going to be happy.

The mew panzer arms, canuck operater elite now the new Federation arms All the same gun , have made some big improvements . This issue is they are toys. If you use them for defense or for competition I would consider buying usxmadexor Italian. Or just be realistic with you expectations

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u/TheRip91 Jun 07 '26

Turkey guns are for people who dont intend to buy guns for their kids/grandkids to have one day.