Rim fire over all length question.

[u/casual_canuk]

When it comes to legal OAL for a rim fire fire arm is the muzzle attachment included? For example if i wanted to put a folding stock on my rifle that would bring it under legal length if I attached a fake suppressor and just never removed it would it still count towards the overall length even though it could be removed with out a tool?

[u/MasterScore8739]

I don’t remember where exactly I found the I’ve quoted previous, but no. A muzzle attachment does not count towards barrel length in Canada.

If I find someone better, I’ll update this.

the barrel length is the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to and including the chamber.

That’s from the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Form. I’m trying to find just the generalized on for firearms remaining in Canada.

Edit:

Okay, found a better reference.

For firearms other than revolvers, the barrel length is the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to and including the chamber, but it does not include the length of any attachments. Refer to the diagram.

This is from the Application to Register Firearms and is current as of 2022. With how our laws are, I highly doubt it’s changed to allow an attachment to count towards barrel length.

[u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 → u/MasterScore8739]

the barrel length is the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to and including the chamber.

This only applies to centerfire rifles, rimfire does not have barrel length minimums.

Rimfires just need to be 660mm long minimum not to be classified as a restricted firearm.

Permanently attached muzzle devices should count towards overall length, which is the only metric that matters for a rimfire. It's really no different than a removable picatinny stock.

As for the folding stock, if your gun can fire while folded, it won't meet the minimum length definitions, so I avoided getting a folding stock for my 10/22. It's too bad there aren't more fixed picatinny stocks on the market though, lots of cheap folding ones.

[u/casual_canuk → u/Hot_Cheesecake_905]

Thats the exact issue im running into now. Im perfectly fine with a fixed stock but having trouble finding a nice fixed stock with a 1913 mount and im not keen on running a buffer adapter

[u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 → u/casual_canuk]

I'm perfectly fine with a fixed stock but having trouble finding a nice fixed stock with a 1913 mount

SBI just released a fixed stock. It's well-made but barebones, and a tad too long.

Midwest Industries also has a fixed stock that is available from time to time at CSC in Calgary.

I was hoping to get a cheap airsoft stock, but most are folding. You should be able to pin or weld them fixed, but I didn't bother going down that route.

[u/casual_canuk → u/Hot_Cheesecake_905]

The sub 26 inch oal non restricted that applies to guns with out folding stocks thats only if they come that way from the factory or if you get them verified right? I plan on running a 8 inch barrel so even with a fixed stock i could be a tad short with out a muzzle device

[u/MasterScore8739 → u/casual_canuk]

It applies to all guns.

If you add a folding stock and the rifle becomes shorter than 26”, the stock has to fold in such a way that the rifle cannot function.

If it can still function while being collapsed/folded, then in its smallest functioning state it must remain over 26”.

As far as I’m aware the only time a firearm needs to be verified is if you’re changing classifications. So if it folds below 26 and function, it needs to be verified as a restricted firearm.

[u/casual_canuk → u/MasterScore8739]

There are expectations to the 26 inch oal rule such as the mares leg and similar i believe i seen a post about someone submitting a frt on a personally configured gun under 26 inch with out a folding stock that got approved but I cant seem to find it now

[u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 → u/casual_canuk]

The mares leg is manufactured and imported that way, so its legal somehow, some one at the RCMP labs was cool that day.

[u/MasterScore8739 → u/casual_canuk]

It’s not so much an exception as it is because a mares leg is a manual action.

I’m fairly certain the 26 rule is applied to semi-automatic firearms.