r/canadaguns • u/Callie7680 • Apr 19 '26

News / Politics / Activism Genuinely curious on liberal views of gun laws

Hello all. Looking for a debate on the other side of all of the gun laws / bans from a liberal point of view. How does it ACTUALLY make sense to liberals with the current laws. C21 was passed with hopes of lowering crime? How is that going? The OIC. How has the crime rate gone since? How are these “liberal experts” in power thinking this is actually going to make a difference? Canada could 100% ban every single firearm and gun crime would not go down 1 bit. I don’t really know any liberals to talk about it with I’d actually like to hear their side on it. I’m clearly not an expert on any of this but it just seems so ridiculous

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u/Infinite-Bill1072 Apr 19 '26

(Remember that this is all acting on my end)

Banning guns in Canada could reduce the likelihood of deadly violence where easy access to a firearm can turn a situation fatal!!!!!111!!!

And who cares about Indigenous hunters trying to live the way of their ancestors, if they can't afford store-bought meat, they should just move to a city! I only care about them when it's politically necessary!!!!

Countries with stricter gun laws tend to have lower rates of gun-related deaths!!!!! Suggesting that limiting access can improve overall public safety!!!!!!!!! It’s not about eliminating all crime, but about reducing the severity and frequency of the most lethal outcomes!!!!!!!

And don't you dare bring up the fact that 80%+ gun crime in Canada is committed by smuggled American guns, and has been even like that even pre-2020!!!

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u/AdeptArt Apr 19 '26

This is good, really good.

I would actually believe the first point about introducing guns making situations worse if not for the fact that all gun owners have daily red flag checks. The moment you get locked up for mental illness or whatever the CFO knows and your guns get taken away. So proactive screening to prevent this already exists. This is a bigger issue in places like the US where anyone can get a gun at a gun show than in Canada where PAL holders are vetted daily.

But we do need slightly better mental health care in this country, I will admit.

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u/Infinite-Bill1072 Apr 19 '26

100% Bro, but try telling that to someone who is emotionally charged, when I used to be a lib, I was actually open minded, so when I found that out, the gears started turning... And after going shooting for the first time I was hooked

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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 Apr 19 '26

That there is our gateway. We to need to get more people at gun ranges.

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u/Infinite-Bill1072 Apr 20 '26

I tried to get this girl from my biology class to come with me and she started tearing up at the thought of holding a gun and started hyper ventilating... Maybe I'll ask a guy next time

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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 Apr 20 '26

I meant a nerf gunrange. Twice the fun none of the bang.

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u/Infinite-Bill1072 Apr 20 '26

In this world, that might even make some people freak

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 19 '26

One of my favourite argument to use against a certain subset of Reddit Liberals is: a sedentary lifestyle leads to 21,000 - 25,000 deaths a year in Canada, while 700 - 900 deaths a year are attributed to firearms. This means, Reddit and Video Games should be banned - think of all the lives we could save from a senseless death!

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u/AdeptArt Apr 19 '26

Yeah. Or ban alcohol, that leads to many more deaths a year. But we all know how that went down south.

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u/Callie7680 Apr 19 '26

There are more vehicle related deaths in Canada than there are firearm deaths. Sports cars are too fast and dangerous. They should be banned too. Maybe there should be breathalyzers in every car to prevent drinking and driving deaths.

Smoking is a huge killer every year. Why haven’t they banned that yet? Imagine how many lives would be saved if they did.

The list could go on and on for what kills more ppl per year than firearms

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u/ComplexQuiet6790 Apr 19 '26

You make an interesting point. What if the govt imposed extreme taxes, like they have on cigarettes and sports cars (luxury tax of 25%), on firearms or firearm components? Perhaps that's a viable alternative. 

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u/HappyCan7250 Apr 22 '26

Interesting thing I learned today, Britain just passed a law banning the sale, ever, to anyone born after 2008, so in a decade when someone born in 2008 is nearly 30, they still won't be able to walk into a store and buy cigarettes, or vapes for that matter too. Kinda crazy, in my opinion.

Also nuts to think someone born in 2008 now turns 18 this year. Man time goes by fast!

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u/Callie7680 Apr 19 '26

But we’re landlocked to America. Guns will ALWAYS come into Canada illegally for crime. There is 0 way to stop it. It’s one thing if we were Australia where it’s much much harder to get illegal guns in. But Canada will never be able to slow them down.

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u/Infinite-Bill1072 Apr 19 '26

(remember guys, still acting)

Well at least 20% of gun crime is Canadian, if no one has a gun obtained here then, that'll drop Canadian-origin gun crime by 20%!! (ignore the fact that these people would probably seek out illegal guns then)

Only the government and its personnel should have guns!!!!

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u/bosnanic Apr 19 '26

Best part is a large chunk of that 20% is domestic abuse cases from one specific community, if you point that out they get uncomfterbale and try to change the subject real fast.

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u/613mitch Apr 19 '26

They always stop replying after this point. Or when you point out mexico is more strict than us by far, and yet their homicide rate by gun is super high.

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u/AdeptArt Apr 19 '26

yea cuz unfortunately they’re also landlocked to america 

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u/Automatic-Height4246 Apr 19 '26

Glad u dont think like that much about being irrational anymore.

“Knives and illegal guns dont matter Cz i dOnt KnoW aBOut theM

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u/VanillaHighlights Apr 19 '26

You've really matured into your mockery of this argument.  You must be relatively young to have this level of respect for someone that asked for honest discussion.