r/canadaguns • u/Callie7680 • Apr 19 '26

News / Politics / Activism Genuinely curious on liberal views of gun laws

Hello all. Looking for a debate on the other side of all of the gun laws / bans from a liberal point of view. How does it ACTUALLY make sense to liberals with the current laws. C21 was passed with hopes of lowering crime? How is that going? The OIC. How has the crime rate gone since? How are these “liberal experts” in power thinking this is actually going to make a difference? Canada could 100% ban every single firearm and gun crime would not go down 1 bit. I don’t really know any liberals to talk about it with I’d actually like to hear their side on it. I’m clearly not an expert on any of this but it just seems so ridiculous

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 19 '26

One of my closest friends is a staunch liberal. His position on it, “no one needs guns. All guns are bad. You don’t need to hunt”. There is no arguing with people on this - it is as debatable as theology. It’s part of their religion, as Liberals. It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s just what they believe.

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u/Flat-Dark-Earth Big Bore Specialist Apr 19 '26

And this is why I see a very near and foreseeable future in Canada where hunting is prohibited for all but the natives.

"No one needs to provide food for themselves, that's what government is for..."

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 19 '26

Literally his position, “we should have nationalized grocery chains. There isn’t a need to hunt when you can buy anything you need to eat at the grocery store”. Ideologues that have never felt any scarcity or hardships in their lives believe these things. I’m an immigrant. I came to Canada 30 years ago. I can tell you that those of us what experienced hardships know you can never rely on the government to be your messiah. You have only yourself.

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u/MrB1P92 Apr 19 '26

Nationalized grocery chains would fix a lot of the food availability problems to be fair.

Running the Westons to hell would be great.

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u/AdeptArt Apr 19 '26

the really messed up thing about the hunting argument is that many many people I know were using the vz 58 to hunt. Indigenous hunters too I bet. It was very mainstream in Canada prior to the bans.

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u/LongRoadNorth Apr 19 '26

The same can be said with cons though. You're looking at this black and white of con vs liberal and not the fact people are just stubborn and won't sway from their view on certain topics.

I listen to metal, you know how many people tell me it's just screaming and you can't understand it and no matter what I say they'll always think that?

What about religious views or religion in general? Ever see an atheist and hardcore Christian debate? Neither will budge or change their view.

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 19 '26

My point here is dialectic has long left the chat. These positions aren’t born out of logic - they’re born out of faith. The religion of hyper-progressive Liberalism calls for the disarmament of individuals and for the government to have a monopoly on violence. A monopoly on everything - govern me harder, daddy.

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u/SirKickBan Apr 19 '26

You have to see the irony, though, in holding that position yourself? Like.. You believing that about your political enemies makes debate exactly as impossible as you imagine their positions make it.

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 19 '26

I believe what has been proven to me again and again, through several conversations, and through policy making. There is no arguing with ideologues.

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u/SirKickBan Apr 19 '26

I suppose my point is that they'd probably say the exact same thing about you, right?

And at that point we're all kinda fucked.

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u/Canadian-Footy-Fan Apr 20 '26

You nailed it. One side doing exactly what they accuse the other side of doing and eliminating all possibility of rational discussion. It really is ironic.

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u/Canadian-Footy-Fan Apr 20 '26

It isn’t “part of their religion, as Liberals”. The proof of that is the many Liberals in this thread who are gun owners and who hold an alternate view of firearm regulation. Your friend is someone who holds a particular viewpoint on that issue that is far from universal among Liberals.

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 20 '26

Far from universal, as evidenced by? My anecdotes vs the anecdotes of a very small subsection of firearms owners (the intersection of Liberal and Firearms owner and Redditor).

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u/Canadian-Footy-Fan Apr 20 '26

I know a ton of left leaning people. The majority of my social sphere would be non-Conservative. Most of those folks support firearms ownership within a reasonable regulatory framework. Some are hunters, some are sports shooters, and some increasingly see value in having a firearm just in case it ever becomes needed.

Maybe that is a byproduct of not living in a super-urban environment. But regardless, it is far from the universal truth you portrayed.