r/canadaguns • u/Riversruinsandwoods • Apr 17 '26
Application / Regulation advice .410 vs .22LR
Hey folks trying to decide between the Chiappas big badger .410 or the Chiappas little badger 22LR. Was curious if the .410 is worth it and if anyone has experience with these guns. Looking for something lighter to take with me when I go fishing. Is there any point to getting a .410 or should I find something in 20 gauge. Mainly want it for the odd bird (grouse, woodcock, maybe a duck and something to scare off a black bear. Already have a 12 gauge but find it’s pretty heavy to hike out with.
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u/ssgfrmrswrp Apr 17 '26
Have you considered single shot 12 ga? Im considering one of those like charles daly 101 or savage 301. For the same use case, light grouse gun.
Consider where you hunt. I find that some areas grouse seem to just always be sitting there which is ideal for a .22, and in others they really flush and shotguns are better.
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u/Italian_Greyhound Apr 18 '26
🙏 amen, 12 guage and a 22 (lr or win) is the best upaland combo for me. 22 for the spruce and 12 for the ruffies. Ptarmagin are a dealers choice!
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u/NEUMANN-METALWORKS Neumann Metalworks Apr 17 '26
The correct answer is Double Badger in 22 WMR and .410 :)
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u/Iokua_CDN Apr 18 '26
Do they do a 20ga with 22wmr option? Poor 410 is so expensive for such little, where as 20 ga is decently affordable and very useful and powerful
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u/NEUMANN-METALWORKS Neumann Metalworks Apr 18 '26
Nah the 20ga only comes in .22LR. You'd think they'd go 410 + 22LR and then 20ga + 22WMR for something a bit more powerful/interesting.
Savage 24 used to come in 20ga + 22WMR but it's an old gun/not made anymore, and that was a rarer model
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u/Iokua_CDN Apr 18 '26
Great info, thank-you!!! I wonder what their rational is....410 and 22wmr seem too close in power where as 22lr and 20ga are very far apart....
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u/Ok_Rush_246 Apr 18 '26
22lr would be my choice hands down. Better range, accuracy, and way cheaper ammo.
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u/Iokua_CDN Apr 18 '26
I have a 12 ga, and a 410, and a 22.
Absolutely, I would take a 20 ga over a 410.
410 is so expensive, and also not very powerful in case of bears.
Where as bulks 20ga is almost as cheap as 12ga and I think slugs are pretty close. Way cheaper than 410.
So unless it's a gun like my 410 revolver shotgun that doesn't have a 20ga option, I'd absolutely go 20ga.
That all being said, they do have combo 410 22lr which sounds fun and useful, however I would much rather have a 22lr 20ga. Better power in the 20 ga, more pellets, more powerful slugs for bears or deer hunting, cheaper ammo, while still having the 22lr for small game. Awesome combo.
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u/Riversruinsandwoods Apr 18 '26
Thanks for the advice ! I think a single shot 20 gauge is probably the answer but I’ll have to do go and check out a couple options.
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u/Iokua_CDN Apr 18 '26
You can also go really crazy like me and grab one of those shortie 410 revolvers
5 rounds, 10 inch barrel, super compact and light, removable Chokes for better spread.
It's small and light and fun galore
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u/Iokua_CDN Apr 18 '26
Just checked out intersurplus, and they have a few double barrel 20ga guns. You could always cut it down to close to 20 inches or so, and even do a rifled insert in one barrel and make your own multi caliber gun if you wanted more than 1 shot
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u/tacaouere Apr 17 '26
I dont have either.
Hitting stuff with a 410 requires more skill to that 20 or 12, amo is expensiive and everyone needs at least a few .22's
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u/Dantheislander Apr 18 '26
20 ga is a lovely sweet spot- even in a 100 dollar Charles daly 101 single shot.
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Apr 18 '26
Of course, you will be taking these game birds only during hunting season and, in a way, deemed legal, especially for waterfowl.
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u/Riversruinsandwoods Apr 19 '26
Of course. No uplands birds will be shot until open season in the fall along with the ducks with steel shot. I ain’t no poacher.
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u/CanadianDrover Apr 18 '26
I've found 410 useful for birds in situations where a shotgun is perfered over .22lr, such as ditch chicken, where you have to be concerned about how far the projectiles will travel behind the target.
That being said, 12/20 gauges seem to be more effective, easier to find and generally cheaper.
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u/elwalrus Apr 19 '26
I've got a double badger in 410 and 22lr, it's awesome. Sights aren't my favourite so I slapped a red dot on top, which has been great.
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u/FD4L Apr 18 '26
Maybe im just a hater, but I dont really like the idea of either.
If I'm going to carry a .22 I want more than 1 round. Unless its a last resort survival thing that I'm going to hide in the bottom of a backpack, id rather get a ruger American compact rimfire or a 10/22 takedown. Either one weighs like 5 pounds and holds 10 rounds.
A shotgun is fine as a single shot, but 20 gauge shells costs half as much as 410 and carry twice as many pellets. If I wanted a simple, lightweight shotgun, id probably look into an old single shot cooey 20 gauge, theyre often on the used market for like $200.
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u/Due_Statistician1679 Apr 18 '26
Reloading a 22 after every shot is a pain in the a. I owned a lil badger, it’s novel but 22’s are cheap and plentiful and I prefer just about anything other than that. For an extra 1.5 pounds you can have a nice 10/22.
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u/NeruLight Apr 18 '26
Although you can get a 410 gauge to 9mm adapter that won’t be useful for hunting I’d imagine., Chiappa does make 20ga adapters that are longer (8”) in a bunch of calibers, that might pair well with a Charles Daly 101 20ga. So you have a single shot break action 20 or 12GA, then adapters you can pop in when you want to shoot something smaller. I’ve actually got 22LR, 22wmr and 17hmr adapters myself (the shooters box ones)
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u/faultysynapse Apr 17 '26
You know, the 22LR and 410 combo is a pretty popular combination gun. I think chiappa probably even does one. So, why not both?