r/canadaguns • u/Neat_Structure1065 • Apr 13 '26

Application / Regulation advice Will the handgun freeze ever go away?

I mean, we need pistols for hunting and self-defence if a bear is running at you and is near.

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u/mississauga145 Apr 13 '26

No, rights will never be given back once they have been removed, while the Conservatives are opposing the OIC gun restriction and grab, when they are returned to power they will not re-permit those weapons, they just won't add more to the list to remove.

Unfortunately that type of change can only come from public will to force change, and with the Urban/Rural divide in Canada there will be no push to allow more weapons in the hands of citizens, but you may soon have legal prostitution so there is that to look forward to.

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u/Lumindan Apr 13 '26

No, rights will never be given back once they have been removed, while the Conservatives are opposing the OIC gun restriction and grab, when they are returned to power they will not re-permit those weapons, they just won't add more to the list to remove.

Telling me you haven't engaged with the conservatives platform at all. They've had undoing the OICs and implementing simplified classification for a while now. They lose nothing by following through with their promises and lose everything by rug pulling.

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u/mississauga145 Apr 13 '26

No, before the guns are removed I'd agree with you, after they have been removed they will not give them back.

They had opportunities to change the laws around restricted and prohibited firearms, did they make that change in the 2010's? No, why?

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u/Lumindan Apr 13 '26

They didn’t change it in the 2010s because the political landscape back then wasn’t even close to what it is now. Trying to apply todays problems to a decade ago isn't really fair.

Under Stephen Harper, the focus was on rolling back things that had broad public support to repeal like ending the long-gun registry not diving headfirst into prohibited firearms, which would’ve been a political minefield at the time. There wasn’t the same level of polarization or urgency around bans, and pushing that issue likely would’ve cost them more than it gained.

Fast forward to now, and you’ve had sweeping reclassifications and a massive proposed buyback under Carney/Trudeau (previously )that’s affecting a much larger group of previously compliant owners. That fundamentally changes the calculus. What wasn’t politically viable then can become viable when the policy impact and the number of affected voters, gets big enough.

No, before the guns are removed I'd agree with you, after they have been removed they will not give them back.

The real question isn’t whether a government reverses a confiscation after it’s complete, it’s whether they stop it, amend it, or prevent it from fully happening in the first place. That’s where elections actually matter and why mass non compliance is so important to us.

And like it or not, politicians respond to incentives. If enough voters make this a priority issue, any party including Conservatives has a reason to act. If they don’t, then yeah, they’ll ignore it, but that seems highly unlikely for them to rug pull it.

Trying to frame the conservatives as not going far enough a decade ago vs now is just silly logic.

Plus here's the reality, who else is going to implement simplified classification?

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u/PhantomNomad al Apr 13 '26

I don't think they lose anything by rug pulling. They won't come right out and say it, but just give lip service to saying that "when the time is right" they will reverse it. That time will come maybe after the get a second term, but not in the first term. I hate this ban as much as the next legal gun owner, but I don't believe a single word the conservatives (or liberals) say about the subject.

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u/Lumindan Apr 13 '26

That’s a pretty cynical take, but it ignores how this actually plays out politically because the reality is, all political parties live or die on trust.

If the Conservatives campaigned on reversing the ban/buyback and then “rug pulled,” they would lose something credibility with a very motivated and organized voting bloc. Legal gun owners aren’t just passive voters; they’re highly engaged, donate, volunteer, and actually track policy follow-through. Burning that group early in a mandate would be a terrible trade-off for what is, realistically, very little political gain elsewhere.

The longer a confiscation program sits in place, the harder and more expensive it becomes to unwind. That creates pressure to deal with it sooner rather than later if they’re serious.

It would be free for the conservatives to drop an OIC and undo the liberals previous OICs.

Simplified classification would take more effort as would getting handguns back but they could undo a huge chunk if they had a minority tomorrow

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u/PhantomNomad al Apr 13 '26

Who else would you vote for? I guess you could vote for the People's Party, but that's just going to split the vote even more. You've got the Carney Liberals who are by far the most centrist party out there right now. The cons while maybe not far right, they are more right then center. Then the People's Party which is Libertarian. They are the most likely to reverse all of this.

I've become very cynical when it comes to political parties. I've been an NDP voter for most of my life. I don't like all of their policies but for me they are the lesser evil. Especially when Layton was the head. I hated voting for Singh, especially when he signed the deal with Trudeau. But at least he was able to get some social programs at least started.

I'm not a single issue voter. Yes I don't want to lose my firearms and my hobby that get's be active out side, but I just don't like my other choices even more. I think with enough rural seats in the NDP we could sway them to reverse course on Bill 21. Especially with the indigenous vote.

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u/Lumindan Apr 13 '26

Who else would you vote for? I guess you could vote for the People's Party, but that's just going to split the vote even more. You've got the Carney Liberals who are by far the most centrist party out there right now. The cons while maybe not far right, they are more right then center. Then the People's Party which is Libertarian. They are the most likely to reverse all of this

I wouldn’t really call the Liberals “centrist” on firearms. Whatever label you put on them broadly, their actual policy track record has been steadily more restrictive, not middle-of-the-road. That’s a real difference compared to the Conservatives, not just branding.

I've become very cynical when it comes to political parties. I've been an NDP voter for most of my life. I don't like all of their policies but for me they are the lesser evil. Especially when Layton was the head. I hated voting for Singh, especially when he signed the deal with Trudeau. But at least he was able to get some social programs at least started.

Not saying you should be a single-issue voter but if firearms policy matters even a bit, the NDP hasn’t really shown any signs they’re going to reverse course on it. Banking on that happening because of rural seats is… pretty optimistic.

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u/reliablerick May 31 '26

Your NDP vote helped bring in the coalition that passed the law. YOU are the problem.

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u/PhantomNomad al May 31 '26

I vote my conscience. Besides where I live it doesn't matter who I vote for. It's always going to be a conservative that gets in. BTW Fuck you for saying I'm the problem. I'm tired of people saying I have to vote a different way that only helps them. I'm also not a single issue voter. Guns are a long way down on my list. I would like the laws changed but I'm not changing my values just for that.

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u/Xaxxus Apr 13 '26

You assume Pierre pollievre is going to form a government. The media has done enough damage to his reputation now that there is basically 0 chance of a conservative government with him at the helm.

And when new leadership does happen, you can bet your ass all this gun ban stuff is going to be long forgotten.

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 13 '26

That is patently false.

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u/mississauga145 Apr 13 '26

Based on what? They have already floated the idea of decriminalization of solicitation and only charged the users of Prostitution and not the prostitutes.

It isn't that large of a leap to figure they will eventually legalize it.

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u/TheSaSQuatCh Apr 13 '26

I was talking about your comment stating the conservatives wouldn’t reverse the bans… that’s patently false. My MP has said, on numerous occasions, that they would, indeed, roll all the bans back and unfreeze transfers.

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u/mississauga145 Apr 13 '26

I think we will see the day where brothels will be regulated.

Call me a dreamer.