r/canadaguns • u/Reasonable_Hall2346 • Apr 06 '26

Fix my gun TM22 left extractor pin extracted itself after 1300 rounds

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Around 1300 rounds in, started having some jamming issues with improperly ejecting. Soon after the left extractor pin decided to throw in the towel. It snapped clean off. I've let to take it apart, but it shot a few mags fine afterwords. Anything to worry about? My plan is to remove the remaining of the extractor pin (if anything) rather than going through warranty.

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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks Apr 07 '26

I deliberately removed the left extractor to improve reliability.

You do not need the left extractor. It mostly seems to increase the likelihood of stovepipes. Which is, you know, contrary to what an extractor should do.

Remove the busted bits and remnants of the pin. Make sure the spring isn't lodged somewhere, and you're good.

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u/Dizzy-Wedding5769 Apr 07 '26

The options these days… I remember thinking my GSG 16 was shit because it needed a repair after 10k rounds

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u/prosper_0 Apr 07 '26

I spent some time bullshitting with the local gunsmith here in town. He's got a passionate hatred of the GSG, mostly because he sees that they're purchased by kids who just mag dump the snot out of them with the cheapest garbage ammo on the shelf, without ever cleaning or doing basic maintenance. But he earns good money by spending a few minutes cleaning the crud out of them for lazy shooters

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Apr 07 '26

There are also a few reliability mods you can do to the GSG. The three biggest ones being firing pin sharpening + overtravel mod, bolt radius, and cutting the hammer spring by a notch. I did all three and my GSG (rip) cycles subsonic ammo reliably, let alone supersonic.

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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks Apr 07 '26

I quite like the TM-22, but the extractor is... a choice, for sure.

50% of them benefit greatly from just yoinking the left one out and throwing it in the safe as a spare (since the right one is the same, other than having a stronger spring)

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u/IceWide6245 Apr 07 '26

The right and left extractors are definitely not the same, the left extractor has a smaller hook

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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks Apr 07 '26

That may explain why mine stovepiped like a motherfucker.

I'm preeeeetty sure mine were. Maybe assembly error with similar parts is why that issue comes up so frequently. I know the spring tension is different, but I noticed no difference in hook length.

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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Apr 07 '26

The best thing about the TM-22 is that it's the best semi-auto currently produced. It's better than the 10/22 (and its clones like the RF224), it's better than the 64, and it's better than the A22.

The worst thing about the TM-22 is that, even though it is the best semi-auto design currently produced, it still has a bunch of weird and counterintuitive design decisions that (as a consequence of how it's made) aren't easily fixed.

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u/therowdyirishman Apr 07 '26

GSGs are junk compared to the TM22. They majorly overcomplicated the internals for a blowback and used way too many screws and polymer. The only nod I can give the GSG is the mags, it was nice that they fit in SMG pouches.

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u/bosnanic Apr 07 '26

yeah I remember post after post on this sub about gsg16s having issues and parts breaking constantly, the only thing they had going for them was the cope-mp16 look.

Seems like after a gun get's banned and no one shoots them for a while their flaws get forgotten

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u/prosper_0 Apr 07 '26

They don't even need to get banned, just massive increase in price and limited supply gets people going. I'm looking at you, SKS.

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Apr 07 '26

i think when a gun gets banned it acheives martyr status and is suddenly coveted

GSG 22s and ar-180 clones used to be known as pretty crap guns and mocked on here regularly. the gsg 522s where the only ones known to be decently reliable

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Apr 07 '26

Not really overcomplicated in a practical sense though. The reciprocating bolt module is one piece and can be easily removed. I actually love that design because you rarely need to disassemble it to clean, just take the entire module out and hose it down with brakleen or PB blaster or whatever. 

The real advantage TM22 has over the GSG is the solid aluminum construction. The GSG's flimsy plastic is genuinely horrible. I once mounted a heavier optic to a GSG and set it down sideways on a hot summer day. The zero drifted to the side as a result... It's got the structural rigidity of a wet spaghetti.

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u/therowdyirishman Apr 09 '26

I whole heartedly disagree. That bulky clamshell bolt carrier group was an absolute friction increasing, crud collecting nightmare and totally unnecessary too. The TM22s minimal/durable internals are vastly superior for maintaining reliability through high round counts without cleaning. Then, when it does come time for cleaning there are no petite fasteners to lose/loosen/clean threads, magazine disconnect safeties, dual threaded guide rods, etc. The GSGs are certified ass pain generators and I'm thrilled to say I sold both versions (SCAR and MP5) I owned long before they were banned. I even prefer my TM over my 10/22 TD build. If you get one that runs reliably they really are great training rifles.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Apr 09 '26

Initially that was my assessment of the GSG as well, until I realized I could just prop the bolt open a bit then chuck it into my ultrasound every 1000 rounds or so. Easiest thing ever.

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u/therowdyirishman Apr 09 '26

Having a ton of small components inside your rifle is never a desirable quality, regardless of your preferred cleaning and maintenance methods. Defending the GSG strikes me as a very strange hill to die on. Seeing as the horse I'm beating is already dead and banned I'm going to walk away from this one.

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u/Acceptable_Visit_115 Apr 09 '26

It's a cheap ass plinker. I could care less. I don't even shoot the GSG, I exclusively use it to introduce new shooters to the sport.

The TM-22 is pretty good, except the fugly magazine and the disassembly requiring three easy to strip screws. If those are addressed, they'd be perfect. It is rather unfortunate that Derya opted to not use brass or steel inserts for the top rail. And speaking of unnecessary small parts, the left extractor of the TM-22...

I also own a 22LR semiauto with 3 moving parts (4 if you count the trigger shoe), so if I want to plink with something reliable I just shoot that lol

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u/Livid_sumo Apr 07 '26

The TM22 is leagues better then the gsg 16, just saying

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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 Apr 07 '26

Think I should order a spare incase the right one calls it quits? Could probably warranty it but Id rather shoot it more than wait for the warranty.

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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks Apr 07 '26

couldn't hurt, but I'm not sure of anywhere that sells parts a la carte. It couldn't hurt to email O'Dell Engineering (who brought in the original A-18s, as I recall, and handles the warranty) and just ask them if they can send you a new extractor.

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u/kammerlader Apr 07 '26

NorthSylva now handles warranty for Derya products. I believe O'Dell handed that over at the start of this year

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u/Remote_Mistake6291 Apr 07 '26

SFRC has all of the parts for the TM22 listed on their website for sale. https://theammosource.com/oem-replacement-parts/derya/tm-22/

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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks Apr 07 '26

Word? That must be recent. Neat! Was worried about getting parts myself. Might grab a few spare firing pins and such.

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u/dke783 Apr 07 '26

I have been thinking of doing exactly this removal of the left extractor pin.

What tools did you need to do this surgery?

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u/UniqueFragility1015 May 02 '26

Never done anything to a gun before. Just removed the extractor today works fine (haven't shot yet)

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u/TheBulletBuddy Apr 07 '26

Hammer, skinny punch, and a zip lock bag for the spare parts (2 parts)

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u/CryptidWorks CryptidWorks Apr 07 '26

An appropriately sized punch (I don't recall off the top of my head which - 1/16 maybe? could probably use a nail with the head cut off.) a hammer, and the restraint to not immediately lose the small parts once they get knocked free.

Go slow so they don't go flying.

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u/dke783 Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26

I successfully used a 1/8" punch when I removed my TM22's left extractor last night. I couldn't find our rubber mallet so I just used a pair of pliers as a makeshift hammer to gently tap out the extractor pin.

Super easy modification to do overall. Three parts that take perhaps 30 seconds to remove:

-pin pivot for the left-side extractor
-the left-side extractor itself
-tiny spring

Bundled the three parts in a ziploc bag and labeled it for future use.

Good news: the extractor, pin, and spring are symmetric on both sides of the bolt assembly. That means: should your remaining right-side extractor ever go bad, you can use your removed left-sde parts as replacements.

Here is a youtube video by Dyceman. He does the surgery on his TM22 and his walkthrough is very clear:

https://youtu.be/ttUfUxDrIwY?si=NAbOvzvXrx6UEpNk&t=149

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u/therowdyirishman Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

Try pushing a round into the chamber by hand, then carefully extract it using only your fingernail or a small flathead. You may have developed a carbon ring in your chamber. This will progressively increase the friction during extraction and can lead to FTE or straining your extractor. It can also contribute to failures to fully chamber and therefore light strikes due to the added force needed to chamber a round in the tighter bore too.