r/canadaguns • u/Illustrious-Neck-205 • Apr 03 '26
Application / Regulation advice Why not ?
I just wonder, why don't they make these guns with rimfire and centerfire calipers ? is there a law against that ?
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u/Reighzy Apr 03 '26
James Reeves on YouTube just made a video 21 hours ago on a Turkish revolver .410 shotgun, and the short of it is that it is terrible to shoot. The blowback/concussive force goes right back into your face, and eventually made his arm bleed. I was very surprised for such a light recoiling gauge.
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u/NorthrenDaddy Apr 03 '26
Yes I hear having your face so close to the cylinder lets a lot of crap get back in your face.
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u/shiddedandfarded69 Apr 03 '26
Burned the shit out of my cheek shooting one of those short barrel .410 revolvers. Not a great time.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Apr 04 '26
his didnt have the guard on the cylinder gap most of these have for some odd reason. it doesnt stop everything but it prevents it being as bad as he got it.
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u/Iokua_CDN Apr 03 '26
Limited capacity. These 410s for example only do 5 rounds.
Revolver let's gas escape from the cylinder gap. Not bad on a low powered round, but it can get pretty bad with a higher power round.
They do make them. Heritage roughrider is made in 22lr and 22mag. Sulan makes a 45 acp/LC version of this. There are fancier and much more expensive versions in 357 and other calibers from Cimarron and Taylor's and Uberti and Alfa Proj. Again though, these are expensive.
So all in all. It's a cost thing. Or a limited market thing. So there isn't much of them. Come to think of it, something like a Lever action would be easier and more universally sellable around the world, yet there are relatively few companies selling lever actions, and Turkey only got into it recently. So I'm sure Turkey will do more rifled versions as time goes on, if current trends are any indication. They just happen to come a bit slow to Canada.
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u/Substantial-Onion-92 Apr 03 '26
This thing sucked hard. I fell for the trap too. Louder than my 12ga and tons of blowback to the face. All different ammos would bind and took a rock and a screw driver to eject. Tons of light primer strikes. 2/10 purchase.
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u/thxxx1337 Apr 03 '26
26 inch barrel... You sure those are bullet holes, I think the muzzle is poking through the paper
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u/Jankins114 Apr 04 '26
They do it's called the SR-45 (10' barrel) and the and the SRC-45 (16' barrel). They use .410GA, 45ACP & 45LC. Tactical Imports has them in stock.
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u/beanman2424 Apr 03 '26
I thought about it but then it sold out by the time I decided I wanted one
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u/Jankins114 Apr 04 '26
Tactical Imports has them the 410/45ACP/45LC version in stock in 10' & 16' barrel length.
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u/GreenMan165 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Rimfire, great question, I would highly consider one of those. They are starting to get into centrefire pistol cartridges with the SR-45, which shoots .45 ACP, .45 Long Colt and .410. When it comes to larger centre fire cartridges, I suspect they'd need some beefing up and redesigning probably.
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u/Scary-Detail-3206 Apr 03 '26
I’m patiently waiting on the delivery of my SR 45. The 45 ACP capability is what lured me in. Range toy guns are much more fun when you can shoot cheap pistol ammo.
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
The moon clips are not the greatest unfortunately. After a few uses they don’t seem to grab and hold the rims as firmly, meaning they become awkward to load (tendency for rounds to slide out while you’re trying to drop into cylinder). I didn’t sand or do anything to them either, simply used them. I stick to .45 colt now. Fine by me since I’m not big volume shooting mine.
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u/GreenMan165 Apr 03 '26
I really want to try one out someday, particularly for the .45 ACP capability, but unfortunately it's down the list a ways, also waiting to hear some more long term talk on them. Hope yours works awesome and is a ton of fun, they are a neat idea for sure!
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u/Scary-Detail-3206 Apr 03 '26
Yeah I hear you, it was down a bit on my list as well but I saw the susceptibility to the next round of bans (whenever they may come) and made the move. Hopefully I get a few years of enjoyment out of it.
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u/GreenMan165 Apr 04 '26
I hope so, really hoping double action revolver rifles can keep out of the bans for a while, but, anything could happen I suppose. Even the way PCC's were prior to the bans, these would have still appealed to me, they're just neat and different.
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u/Illustrious-Neck-205 Apr 04 '26
I was just about to get the S&W PCC right on the day they issued the damn OIC.
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u/Scary-Detail-3206 Apr 04 '26
Funny you mention the S&W PCC, that was my next purchase right before the ban as well. I was just waiting for a sale since they frequently went on sale for a couple hundred bucks off, got hit with the ban instead.
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u/Illustrious-Neck-205 Apr 04 '26
they're the closest one to handguns that we can get for now. I think I'll get one pretty soon.
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u/Massive_Expression_2 Apr 04 '26
Canuck is introducing a lever action .410 revolver that is also certified for .45 LC, if that interests you.
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u/No_Win_9797 Apr 03 '26
Some of the .410 revolvers can shoot 45LC and 45ACP IMO, that’s the only way I’d want one
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
You can actually get caliber reducers for .45 colt down to 9mm, .38 special, .22LR and maybe a couple others. Heck , if you’re willing to pay an obscene amount you can even get “.410 gauge”to 9mm. You could possibly shoot 9mm out of the non-45 colt ones too with a set of those.
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
The cylinder guards work fine. Hickok shot the Rossi circuit judge and seemed to regard it favourably (it has gas guards too). The SR-45 is basically a SBR knockoff of the circuit judge. One small criticism of the SR-45 only an owner might notice: the cylinders are a millimetre or two bigger than a Rossi or Taurus. The cylinders can also be stiff (the guards can also impact the free spinning).
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u/Illustrious-Neck-205 Apr 04 '26
Would it loosen up the cylinders after some broke-in ?
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
There is a bit of forward and backward play to the cylinder. Combined with the necessary guards, the result is that the cylinder can hang up a little on the frame. It’s not terrible, but you don’t feel very cowboy when you have to carefully rotate the cylinder. The ejection is also a bit stiff out of the box. I’ve only got around 500 rounds of various calibers through mine, but I don’t think this aspect is likely to change much. I lubricate the ejection. I carefully clean and oil the rest. I suspect the circuit judge might be kind of similar to be honest. I only had to gently retighten all the screws one time after 500 rounds. These guns are perfectly fine for the money. People just knock anything Turkish, in my opinion lol. I’m grateful to the Turks for making stuff for our busted and dumb market, myself.
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
If you really wanted to waste your money you could buy .22 LR inserts from The Shooters Box (.45 colt though, I’m not 100% sure you could get away with them in a .410 only, but they also sell .410 ones. Super expensive in the big picture however)
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u/Whispersfine Apr 03 '26
What until you find out how crazy expensive is the 410 rounds and how much of smoke and fire blows back to your face. This is shit
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
Sellier & Bellot 410 Gauge 13.5g 2.5inch #000Buck 25rds for $28.99….. This is breaking the bank?
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u/Whispersfine Apr 04 '26
You are hunting with 000? Or skeeting?
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
Nah I just find it weird people still talk about .410 like it’s somehow scarce or disproportionately more expensive. It just doesn’t seem that way to me.
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u/BrotherLefthand Apr 03 '26
"Why?" may be a better question. .410 is pretty expensive to be throwing at a novelty gun.
Anything where your hand is foreward of the cylinder is not ideal due to the gas discharged from the cylinder.
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
You seen the price of .45 colt? .410 isn’t so bad
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u/Illustrious-Neck-205 Apr 04 '26
Just checked .45ACP last night with ammobin, .54/round is the cheapest
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
Damn that’s a lot cheaper than any I’ve seen here in the GTA for sure
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u/Illustrious-Neck-205 Apr 04 '26
ya, check out the ammobin . ca they compare all the shops in Canada.
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u/NeruLight Apr 04 '26
Ahh I just saw you said .45ACP .. my eyes must be blurry haha. .45 colt is usually over a buck a round (as is .410). If I knew where to get different moon clips that would be compatible I’d pick some up. I know in general moon clips are not something that last a long time anyway, but I was surprised mine became loose so quickly . I really have to hold my clips carefully when dropping them in. Same thing with speed loaders such as HKS or speed beez. Ones that work with the Taurus or Rossi do not work with these Turkish copies (due to the slightly bigger cylinder). Well, the speed beez one almost works. What you can do is gets the noses in , release, then slap them down the rest of the way. Very minor complaint about these Turkish copies.
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u/Automatic-Height4246 Apr 03 '26
Not yet just wait eventually there will be.
It would be okay if u shoot one of those revoving shotguns or carbines with .45 long colt.
There is also .22 versions of those from america as far as i know
I would like this in a .308
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u/KriosXVII Apr 03 '26
Wouldn't the pressures involved in a full power rifle round like 308 throw a crazy amount of gas and powder through the cylinder gap and into your face?
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u/HornyGoatWeedGuzzler Apr 03 '26
I just wish they'd make one of these in like .22 or something with a 26" barrel so I can immediately saw off the stock and have a cope pistol
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u/Spyrothedragon9972 Apr 04 '26
Y'all really like terrible guns here, eh?
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u/NeruLight Apr 05 '26
Are you Canadian?
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u/Spyrothedragon9972 Apr 05 '26
Yes.
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u/Illustrious-Neck-205 Apr 07 '26
then we forced to do so for just a little more fun with cheap pistol rounds.... unfortunately
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u/FD4L Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
Why not? Because its a turkish 410 revolver that's priced $500 too high because some dumbass would actually pay it.
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