Withdrew from the ASFCP / Retiré du PIAFSAA

[u/Lima-TCX]

I've withdrawn from the ASFCP, and wanted to share my experience about it for anyone else considering doing the same.

Why I registered back in January:

Not looking to make excuses, just giving some context around my situation, and why I made my initial decision:

- I had two non-registered firearms affected, both were due for compensation at more or less the exact pre-tax value I purchased them for.

- I am a Québec resident, and therefore, due to the Register, the government already knew what I had.

- Also being a Québec resident, I knew I was more guaranteed than not, to actually receive the compensation.

- I was planning to use the proceeds from my reimbursement to purchase further available firearms. (I ended up purchasing two for each one banned to 'make up for it'.)

- I had also figured that in the event of a class-action lawsuit, having registered may have been a pre-requisite to claim damages.

- I was planning to paint my rifles pink before turning them in, and covering both of them with '♥ Nathalie' in white ink, to deny them any chance of a photo-opp.

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Why I decided to Withdraw:

I originally registered in a panic when it opened up, especially as I could have really used the money. Since then however, over the months that have passed, I've been feeling incredibly guilty and regretful in my decision to take part in this. I was also hugely inspired by hearing the numbers they published, and how many people had held strong in solidarity.

Additionally, and one of the most important factors; the behaviour of Nathalie Provost during the last press conference was absolutely disgraceful. She has absolutely no place in government. That ended up being the last straw for me, especially the part where she started yelling at us to 'do our civic duty'.

So Nathalie, if you're reading this, well done; you pushed me to do my actual civic duty.

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How the Withdrawal Process Went:

- I called 1-833-759-4551, selected English, and had to go through a couple robo-navigation options.

- I was first in line, and was connected to an agent within less than 1 minute.

- Upon learning of the reason for my call, the agent asked me what the reason for my withdrawal was, to which I explained it was Nathalie Provost's fault, and was withdrawing as a form of protest.

- Following that, I was simply asked for my PAL #, my name, DoB, and email address.

The agent then went away for a couple minutes, and returned to basically take me through the 'things I should know' which included (to the best of my note-taking abilities):

- My case will be moved to 'inactive', but it will not be purged from the system. However, it will be destroyed after 2 years.

- Previously-submitted information may be accessed for monitoring and tracking.

- Withdrawal doesn't mean I don't have to turn them in.

- They can be de-activated or destroyed outside of the programme.

- If the government comes asking me about my firearms, withdrawal doesn't mean I am exempt from cooperating with them.

- If my firearms are used in criminal activity, they may be traced back to me.

Once I agreed to all of this, he then left for a second very short hold of a couple min, and then returned to inform me that I can expect to receive a phone call from a representative from Public Safety Canada within 10 days to discuss further, and he gave me a case number to use with them.

He then asked me which province I was calling from, and that was the end of the call.

I timed it from start to finish, it only took 13 minutes total.

The agent was absolutely lovely, super professional -- overall really a 10/10 experience on that front.

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Conclusion

If you are in a similar position to me, please consider doing so; its not too late! It was a genuinely super easy and painless process.

The prospect of losing the cash hurts, but what hurt more was, over the past months, knowing I didn't do the right thing.

With the absolutely catastrophic participation, and the upcoming Supreme Court Challenge, we have a better chance than ever.

In any case, no matter what happens, see y'all at the range. 🍁

[u/thecoolernameistaken]

I’m wondering if this is the move for people with restricteds

[u/613mitch → u/thecoolernameistaken]

Based on the numbers so far, there's far more people with restricted firearms not even signing up. As far as I am concerned, the most sensical move is not even partake. That being said, I am lucky to be in a situation where I am not in need of the money.

Good on OP though for withdrawing.

[u/cstevens780 → u/thecoolernameistaken]

I have a restricted and I won’t be signing up. By signing up, that gives the government permission to say you accept and agree with this program. I do not and will not agree with this farce. When Oct 31st rolls around I will be compliant to the law but I will not be a statistic in favor of this program.

[u/rastamasta45 → u/thecoolernameistaken]

The government number on restricteds was 152,000, they are only offering money for 136,000 (allegedl). Meaning as of 3:50pm EST 57,700 / 152,000 have been declared. Assuming they are alllllll AR’15 they only got 38%. If we use their compensation number it’s 42%.

So they’re not even at half the restricted rifle or compensation number. Just AR15’s alone they are sitting at around 53%.

Now throw in NR guns which no one knows. This is just a fucking joke.

[u/TechnoMillwright → u/thecoolernameistaken]

All the Gun owners who have restricted turned prohib in this ban are the REAL front line soldiers in this fight IMO and need to be commended. For them this fight is ALOT more serious then "they don't know what you have if you don't tell them", as most gun owners think they are giving the government the middle finger by not telling them. Don't get me wrong, they are doing their "civic duty" and helping stand with the cause but these gun owners who have restricted turned prohibs are ACTUALLY giving the government the middle finger. As for them its "you know what I have but Im not handing it over, FUCK YOU"

Again severely need to be fucking commended!!!

[u/Steelringin → u/TechnoMillwright]

I have a restricted turned prohib. I'd rather turn it into swarf than have them buy it off of me, with my own money, for pennies on the dollar. If I can't have it then they sure as fuck can't!

[u/China_bot42069 → u/thecoolernameistaken]

Yea I’m in the restricted boat. If public safety does a follow up call I’ll gladly fall on the sword for non fudds owners. Just to give them idea of what provost has done. 

Edit: haven’t declared. But will spin plates if it helps our cause 

[u/boozefiend3000 → u/China_bot42069]

Time to pull out, sir.

[u/China_bot42069 → u/boozefiend3000]

I never declared. I’d rather see her at the bottom of the ocean than in the hands of a provost pirate 

[u/BilboBaggSkin → u/thecoolernameistaken]

Or people with very expensive guns. It’s easy for me to sacrifice my $1500 ar15. If I had a gun that unpaid 5k for id probably turn it in too.

[u/BilboBaggSkin → u/[deleted]]

Yeah that’s fucked man. Really sad people aren’t getting compensated. If the government had a brain we could have a great system where people can own anything.

[u/Disclosjer → u/BilboBaggSkin]

They’re offering $550 for a LTAC Raven. Delusional lol.

[u/BilboBaggSkin → u/Disclosjer]

Yeah it’s fucked. Just going to chop up my upper and lower and keep what I legally can.

[u/3202supsaW → u/Disclosjer]

I allegedly have a raven 9mm and 5.56. Not sure if they are offering 550 per receiver or for the whole gun - I deleted the email immediately and never even thought about registering. I bought the gun 9mm and bought the 5.56 kit as soon as it was available, the whole thing was around 3-4k. No way I'd take 550 or even 1100. They can go fuck themselves

[u/3202supsaW → u/thecoolernameistaken]

I have a restricted. If October 31 comes and they haven't extended the amnesty I intend to smash it to pieces with a sledgehammer, weld and cut it as necessary, and then call and report the destruction while refusing to provide ANY evidence of it. I am in compliance with the law as I do intend to legitimately destroy it if necessary but they will be left wondering if I actually did destroy it.