r/canadaguns • u/Due_Reflection4094 • Mar 16 '26

Misc Mohoc PCC, not on FRT. From Turkey. Any chance it can be imported in Canada?

Mohoc PCC. 9mm Parabellum. Any chance we can have it in Canada?

More : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0-8osYAL1A

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '26

Requires FRT first. Which requires RCMP lab to verify it.

Definitely would be banned as a variant of an APC9 or AR9 or something like that

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u/Expert_Caregiver6220 Mar 16 '26

I just ask [firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca](mailto:firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca) let hope they reply back ! lol

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u/ImpossibleWitness505 Mar 16 '26

Do you request an FRT or something? How do you go about getting imports for the Canadian market

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '26

As far as I know you request for one to be examined.

As to how the RCMP gets on for examination I'm not certain. I'd imagine it's on the company wishing to import them to submit one for verification and paying a fee to do so.

From what I do know if the verification process can take literal years.

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u/PM_me_ur_TT-33 Mar 17 '26

Last I heard, there's no fee and any importer like IRG can do it, submitting "your" gun to the lab. There are good reasons to have the designer submit it with a TDP to try and justify how long the design existed and that it actually isn't a (variant of nu-prohib), which can reduce the risk of it being Crypto'd or allow refinement in the prototyping phase.

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u/Lumindan Mar 16 '26

Honestly it reminds of the ghm9.

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u/Fast_Introduction_34 Mar 17 '26

it's an apc9 rip so close

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 18 '26

I see more of MP5....

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u/Fast_Introduction_34 Mar 18 '26

Apc9 is the successor to that so kinda

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u/Benefit_Waste Mar 16 '26

Probably would be banned within a week

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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl Mar 16 '26

We can dream lol.

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u/blueline731 Mar 16 '26

I’d love to have this thing but I doubt it

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u/Automatic-Height4246 Mar 16 '26

Might be likely as long as the original capacity is less than 5 or 10 rounds depending on the laws rn we have, just another turkshit but hope its good

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u/GodsGiftToWrenching Mar 16 '26

Depends, Is the mag it is designed to use able to hold more thsn 5 rounds?

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u/Salty-Western-2115 Mar 17 '26

Does it look fun? Then it’s banned, simple.

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u/Automatic-Height4246 Mar 17 '26

Hope they design some seni pcc with 5 round magazines but they can be like henry and be able to take Glock or smithwesson mags, chambered in 9mm, 10 mm, 40 sw and 45 acp

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u/chillyrabbit Mar 17 '26

Likely banned as a post C-21 firearm, as it is a semi automatic, centerfire rifle with a magazine capacity greater than 5.

Either it would be banned as a variant of named banned firearm, or it was designed and manufactured after Dec 2023.

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Quite a few turkish shotguns and rifles with more than 5 capacity released. I actually started a thread on this yesterday. Ardas Alcor comes to mind and so does Celik Chimera. Both were designed post Dec 2023 AFAIK.

My guess is, they can launch a canada specific variant that has only 5 rounds mag and bring only that.

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u/Dickastigmatism Mar 17 '26

I believe those are based off of some older shotgun designs so they count as variants of those.

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 17 '26

Again, this way ALL firearms are same design.

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u/PM_me_ur_TT-33 Mar 17 '26

Those two existed as push-button-release on the Australian market years before there was a need for them here. Chimera was announced spring 2023.
I don't know if anyone has tested the "originally designed for stanag but your market gets a Crypto magwell" theory yet and I wouldn't bet on it. Note that the AD500 got a proprietary small magazine only.

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 17 '26

Push button and semi auto are extremely different design.

I mean tomorrow if I make a semiauto of dark mountain stowable, it will not be considered same design as that firearm.

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u/PM_me_ur_TT-33 Mar 17 '26

Manual of arms is a little different, but push button is usually literally a semi auto with a spring-loaded bolt catch instead of a spring-loaded bolt release. In Canada, the law doesn't distinguish them (both are considered semi auto). See FRN 197848, for example.

A semi auto Stowaway - you might well be right. I shan't bet on that either. But a bolt repeater Stowaway with a box mag (seeing as it currently lacks such convenience) - wouldn't that have a case for being the same design?

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 18 '26

Agreed on defn of Semi Auto in CC-84(1) semi automatic firearms.

That being said, it is not unheard of both NR, R and Prohibited variant of same fire arm existing in same FRT. If a firearm semi-auto was originally designed and manufactured with 6+ rounds mag, it will be prohibited. But if it was manufactured with 5 rounds mag, it will be restricted. Both variants of same firearms can and do exist.

We have FRTs of handguns with entries for Prohibited and Restricted based on barrel length for instance.

The law talks about "a firearm" and not "a firearm model".

Meaning they have to just issue the firearm with 5 rounds mag from factory.

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u/feeddageek Mar 17 '26

The factory magazine is not a proprietary 5 round, so it is definitively prohibited under CC-84(1) prohibited firearm (e) event it is not classified as an AR-9 variant

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

What if they introduce a variant called "Canada Model" with a magzine pinned at 5? Its not identical model, its a different canada specific model. They can also replace threaded barrel with non threaded one to avoid use of "silencers" as they are prohibited device.

You know the model or the type is not banned in Canada. Only the specific characters are.

Small variations are something Turkish makers often do.

I mean, look at other Turkish small arms made Akdas Alcor 223.