Stand on Guard - Conservative Party of Canada

[u/GhostProtocolGaming]

https://www.conservative.ca/stand-on-guard-2/

The bill makes important changes to Section 34 of the Criminal Code so that force is presumed to be justified if used against an illegal intruder. Conservatives first announced the ‘Stand on Guard’ principle back in August, asking the government to introduce legislation in the fall session.

[u/Spydude84]

With a liberal majority, no way this passes.

[u/LongRoadNorth → u/[deleted]]

Without a drastic change in the conservative party, they will not be getting a majority any time soon with Pierre.

It's just the conservatives saying shit to sound like they care.

I don't understand why so many seem to think the conservatives aren't politicians and even if they got a majority they wouldn't completely back track on how many promises like every politician does.

They had plenty of time when Harper was pm to make changes, did they? No, because they're just as full of shit as the liberals are.

[u/Lumindan → u/LongRoadNorth]

Without a drastic change in the conservative party, they will not be getting a majority any time soon with Pierre.

With respect, I pretty much disagree with your post in a couple of ways, also the timelines and framing are pretty off base. I feel like I've seen you make this post before; not that I can check with your hidden comments but I could've sworn I've responded to it and debunked it. But hey, round 2 lets go.

The whole "Pierre is bad for the party" must be the newest goal post shift I've seen now that he's passed his internal evaluation. But sure, let's wish the party would decapitate itself and turn into what the NDP is right now. Seems like a great move.

They had plenty of time when Harper was pm to make changes, did they? No, because they're just as full of shit as the liberals are.

This is just wrong, you're mixing up your timelines and ignoring that Stephen Harper didn’t have a majority government until 2011. From 2006–2011 he was running minority governments where every bill had to survive opposition parties threatening elections. Acting like he had unlimited power for a decade is just historically wrong.

Also, remind me who killed the long gun registry?

Also saying that harper didn't do anything is a full on lie / misinfo.

Off the top of my head, they did implement a number of major promises once they had the votes. They Eliminated the wasteful Long-gun registry in 2012 (2 billion dollars btw, thanks Poly and Liberals), They passed tougher sentencing laws through the Safe Streets and Communities Act (which remind me who ran back immediately?), they cut the GST from 7% to 5%, which was a direct campaign promise and balanced the federal budget by 2015 after the global recession triggered by the 2008 financial crisis. Remind me what our deficit is at now?

It's just the conservatives saying shit to sound like they care.

Oh it's conservatives bad. Okay gotcha. You make this post as if every political party doesn't have an agenda, cmon man.

I don't understand why so many seem to think the conservatives aren't politicians and even if they got a majority they wouldn't completely back track on how many promises like every politician does.

This argument is basically just cynical hand-waving. If you apply that standard consistently, it would also mean you shouldn’t believe anything the Liberals promise either, including the policies the same critics usually defend.

So your post boils down to ignoring the historical record, assume every promise is fake (because grr cons bad), and conclude Conservatives are uniquely dishonest. That’s not analysis at all it’s just partisan cynicism dressed up as an argument.

[u/Duckriders4r → u/Lumindan]

Harper never balanced the budget. As soon as he got his majority he started dismantling every government sector that would progress and improve things for everyday Canadians. Tried to dismantle our banking system to what the us has. Nothing you've said is true. Military veterans centers closed and funding slashed. Military funding slashed to a absolutely fucking pathetic level of 1.1% of GDP. Then, once the liberals got into power with trudeau, and he started putting money back into veteran centers.And the military, which the conservatives voted against in the house of commons, every step of the way. And then just a few years after that, criticizing the same prime minister who has already spent double of actual money, not in percentage of g d p.But actual money into the military and raising it to just below one point four percent of g d p now don't forget g d p.Raises all the time. Bro, you need to stop reading those conspiracy Websites.

[u/Lumindan → u/Duckriders4r]

I don't know why you're digging through week old threads posting misinformation. I'll humour it and break it all down because my goodness there's alot wrong here.

Harper never balanced the budget.

Objectively wrong. Harper did in fact balance the budget in 2015. There was even a CBC article indicating he did it, but here's the official government source from Canada.ca; You can argue how it was achieved (asset sales, timing, etc.), but pretending it didn’t happen just makes you look uninformed. Or did the government just lie about 1.4 billion?

As soon as he got his majority he started dismantling every government sector that would progress and improve things for everyday Canadians. Tried to dismantle our banking system to what the us has.

Do you know how you balance an insane deficit? It's called making pragmatic cuts. You can't simply afford to keep burning money if you want to actually balance a budget. People like you, who are still screaming harper bad have zero economic understand. The claim that he “tried to dismantle our banking system to what the US has” is pure fantasy. Canada’s banking system is regulated through institutions like the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions remained intact and is literally famous for surviving the 2008 crisis better than the U.S. If there was some grand deregulation scheme, he would've iced it.

Military funding slashed to a absolutely fucking pathetic level of 1.1% of GDP. Then, once the liberals got into power with trudeau, and he started putting money back into veteran centers

Throwing around percentages without context is amateur hour. Under Harper, spending rose significantly in absolute terms during the Afghanistan era. Under Justin Trudeau, yes, total dollar spending increased but that’s partly because everything gets more expensive over time and GDP grows. Saying “double the money” without adjusting for inflation, commitments already planned, or procurement timelines is meaningless spin.

And then just a few years after that, criticizing the same prime minister who has already spent double of actual money, not in percentage of g d p.But actual money into the military and raising it to just below one point four percent of g d p now don't forget g d p.Raises all the time.

I don't understand this point, so the government overspent and put us into crippling debt? Did you just selectively ignore that Trudeau's own financial staff out loud said they blew past the guard rails and we're currently in a 80 billion decifit?

It's wild that you'll criticize harper and somehow say Trudeau was good for Canada when we've had a decade of absolute dip. I also really like the "harper hates vets", remind me which government is taking them to court? Hint, it wasn't harper. Or you know, when they forgot to spend 105 million on vets and reinjected it back into the budget while people were making their claims? Oh look, it wasnt harper either

I find it especially bad you're trying to lean on the vets thing because Harper closed like 8 or 9 offices but rotated the staff. Meanwhile 'Grossly unfair': Disabled veterans take pension battle with Liberals to Supreme Court

Bro, you need to stop reading those conspiracy Websites.

I didn't realize sourcing the Canadian government's own data and CBC, global and stats Canada made me some kind of conspiracy nut. Your whole rant is partisan fanfiction with a couple of real facts stapled onto it but zero narrative context. If you dislike Harper, cool, get over it, it's been a decade. But please keep pushing that partisan 'conservatives' bad non-sense in old threads, it only shows how off base you really are.

You do not have an argument there, you have a tantrum with a few buzzwords bolted on and it's sad really.