r/canadaguns • u/itsagrapefruit • Mar 03 '26
Application / Regulation advice Wait, so do I lock it or not?
In other news, I had to get another three pack this weekend.
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u/Schrodinger_cube Mar 03 '26
XD The fire arm is always loaded unless otherwise observed thanks to quantum ammo. But do not lock it in a box with a cat.
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u/newtoabunchofstuff Mar 03 '26
It's fine if you've talked to your cat about firearms safety.
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u/carasci Mar 04 '26
They'll still try to murder you, but at least they won't leave the gun anywhere your kid can find it.
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u/Prinzka Mar 03 '26
Can't do PROVE on most firearms if you treat all firearms as always loaded.
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u/GoingBallistik Mar 03 '26
Every time i need to check out the bore of a gun in in a gun shop or gun show i always imagine that someone is going to freak out and grab it out of my hands because I'm "aiming it at myself"
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u/throwaway1010202020 Mar 03 '26
"If you have done ACTS and P, R, O and V there is no reason you can't look down the barrel to do E, and im gonna do that right now, it is literally impossible for me to be shot".
That's what I was taught when I took the course and the dude running it was 80+ and had been doing it for over 35 years at that point. "No one has ever accidentally shot themselves in the face after taking my course".
It's a very good lesson in personal responsibility. Would I look down the barrel of a gun that someone just handed me? No. Would I look down the barrel after I have verified there is no possible way for a bullet to be fired out of it? Any day of the week. It's an empty metal tube at that point.
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u/FromDeepestFathom Mar 03 '26
That said it’s wild the amount of people even in gun subreddits that scream in terror at the thought of walking in front of a disassembled barrel on my work bench. “hOw dArE yOu pOiNt tHaT aT mE!!!!”
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u/throwaway1010202020 Mar 03 '26
When we do long range matches we use barrel flags. Once everyone has been checked by the designated RO you leave the flag in and pull your bolt, you can "flag" someone as much as you want while you're carrying it back to your car to move back to the next mound. Nobody is scared, it's like carrying a drill and being worried about someone drilling a hole in you when there is no drill bit in it.
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u/FromDeepestFathom Mar 04 '26
Yeah but the way people react in gun subs half the time you'd think your club are all murderers
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u/Hungry-East-2666 Mar 04 '26
Same as meeting up to sell or buy a gun. The lengths some people go to.
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u/FromDeepestFathom Mar 04 '26
There was a guy in this sub a few weeks/months ago who was genuinely losing his shit over someone walking in front of a gun being worked on (like on a work bench, no bolt, very clearly a controlled environment)
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u/FromDeepestFathom Mar 04 '26
I think it stems from a mix of things but genuinely mainstream media and Hollywood are for sure contributors. Ignorance = fear, and many non-gun people (and surprisingly to me, many gun people) seem to fear guns.
As you mentioned, learning the rules is a good step but more importantly is learning why the rules exist. I’d have to think very hard about what PROVE and other acronyms stand for, but I can promise you that I’ll never ever have an ND of any kind, because the procedure of ensuring the firearm is safe is the default. Once it is known to be safe, I’m still not aiming it at people, but we do need to all be adults and realize that if I’m mounting a scope at home and my wife walks by, she is in no danger. Zero. That’s the part that people seem to not understand and all too commonly freak out over. Context matters. We can’t take the rules too literally, or, as you alluded to, the gun would never get out into the field. If you can’t point it in an unsafe direction EVER, how do you get it out of the safe? Into the truck? To the range/hunting area? Etc.
Firearms deserve respect; I won’t mince words, they are absolutely designed to kill. But guns don’t kill people, creatures, paper, nor anything else. The human negligently handling (or intentionally handling) it does. That’s the part that people seem to miss.
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u/Q-Ball7 In the end, it's taxes all the way down Mar 03 '26
It's an empty metal tube at that point.
Or it isn't, which is why E is "look down the bore to verify no obstructions" in the first place.
Lots of Fudds blowing up their milsurp guns by jamming them in the dirt, plugging the barrel, and then a few hours to days later pulling the trigger, with predictable results. But since that couldn't have been their fault, oh no, clearly it was that cheap Spanish steel, 5.56 NATO in a .223 chamber, etc.
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u/Blamb05 Mar 03 '26
My dad told me when he took his course many years ago, that he brought a small pocket mirror to use to look down the barrel without pointing his face at it. The instructor thought that was pretty clever.
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u/PetrolPaladin Mar 03 '26
I like to imagine the group of Americans that are neurotically dogmatic about their four rules going into convulsions if they ever sat in on a CFSC class.
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u/Jens_Fischer Mar 03 '26
Something something ACTS something something PROVE something something resulting in the waveforms to collapse into an empty or loaded chamber known as Schrodinger's Chamber
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u/oliveoillube Mar 03 '26
Good enough. All can be broken given time. Goal is to slow down
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u/Sceptical7 Mar 03 '26
What are you even asking because you can't store loaded guns legally
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u/10081914 Mar 03 '26
I think the joke is to treat all guns as loaded as it says in the smaller text under do not use on a loaded gun.
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u/Illustrious-Nail-360 Mar 03 '26
He's making a joke about how it says not to lock a loaded firearm. But it also says to treat all firearms as loaded. Meaning you can't lock it because you are treating it as loaded. Obviously, he is just joking (i hope so anyways, lol)
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u/Sceptical7 Mar 03 '26
Yeah that went totally over my head lol, i never know whats serious on here anymore because I have heard some outrageous stuuf.
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u/KamikazeKoala Mar 03 '26
I think its cause the warning says "treat all guns as loaded" underneath, so if you follow the "dont use on loaded guns" rule, but treat all guns as if loaded. Then you can't use on any gun cause they are all "loaded" 🤣
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u/meme__machine Mar 03 '26
I don’t understand the point of trigger locks. I can pull the trigger by just pulling in the trigger lock
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Mar 03 '26
Then you aren't locking them properly to begun with, or using the shittiest trigger locks imaginable (ex. the tiny little plastic ones gun stores use that you can buy from China for like $20 for a pack of 50).
The ones like OP posted have a bunch of small plastic/hard rubber pins inside of them, if you tighten the lock probably a least a couple of them will be lined up against the trigger guard in such a way you can't pull the trigger, or the whole cross bolt will go behind the trigger so the trigger has no space to be pulled.
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u/BilboBaggSkin Mar 03 '26
It’s to make people feel good. Just like stealing a locked gun vs and unlocked gun. Make no difference lol.
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u/SpinachStunning5547 Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Not sure what you are asking but: During storage at your house you can't have it loaded but you need it locked. You should load you gun only when you plan on shooting it. During transport, it does not need to be locked but also need to be unloaded. Locking is often recommended but not required by law.
Edit: didn't read the whole thing... Just wanted to educate a fellow shooter but ended up getting downvoted for it..
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u/macfail Mar 03 '26
It's a joke. If you follow the instructions literally, you can't ever use the lock.
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u/itsagrapefruit Mar 03 '26
The instructions are an oxymoron. All my guns are trigger locked, in a locked cabinet, and the bolts are in a seacan 300’ away.
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u/CallsignKilljoy Mar 03 '26
The number of people missing the joke is, itself, hilarious. Good one, OP.