r/canadaguns • u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC • Mar 19 '26

Announcement BREAKING: SCoC WILL HEAR CCFR v Canada Appeal

SCoC Decision on Appeal: https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/news/en/item/8467/index.do

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u/MidwinterBlue Mar 19 '26

Ps. If we win, can I have my B&T back?

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u/boozefiend3000 Mar 19 '26

Who knows? The liberals are pieces of shit, we could win and then they could just ban everything again in actual parliament with their majority 

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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Mar 19 '26

They could but the Supreme Court will rule whether we're entitled to full market value of our firearms as that's basically what they told the lower courts that they were going to do with everyone's banned gun. We know that's not true now, and on top of that leaked audio of the public safety minister saying the quiet part out loud that this has nothing to do with safety...

If at minimum they determined that we are entitled to full monetary compensation for our banned guns and rule against us in every other respect, the Liberals will still have a tough decision to make. Do they inject tens of billions of dollars more into the program, do they decide to implement grandfathering (like the C-71 proposed 12.9 class for prohibited rifles), or do they just scrap this whole fucking Gong Show all together?

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u/boozefiend3000 Mar 19 '26

They would just grandfather. It’s still a win for them, our guns are banned and it costs them no money 

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u/37BJJ Mar 19 '26

Agreed I don't know why the gun community gets so happy about a grandfathering.

Ground lost is ground that will never be gained back. There should be no "negotiations" in this transaction where they propose an insane ban and then we agree to settle on a slightly less insane outcome. They'll just do it again and again.

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u/Effective-Ad-7177 Mar 19 '26

This is so true, why the CCFR ever supported that was beyond me. Even worse, to my knowledge only a fraction of grandfathered firearms can even be shot still anyways, they’ll do the same thing for these in a few years.

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u/Full_metal_pants077 Mar 19 '26

I believe it has beat been said, "From my cold dead hands"

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u/Cre_AK47 Name Prohibited by OIC Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

Ehhh... In the context of an overzealous Liberal government, I think I'll take grandfathering/indefinite amnesty extension until the next Conservative government forms. It's much easier for the Conservatives to reverse a ban when everyone still has these guns in their possession. Quite different when they're all gone/ordered to be disposed by Oct. 2026.

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u/CalibreMag Mar 19 '26

Grandfathering would require amending the Firearms Act, so unless you want Nathalie Provost writing gun laws, an amnesty in perpetuity is a vastly better option.

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u/Lord_Stetson Mar 19 '26

think I'll take grandfathering/indefinite amnesty extension until the next Conservative government forms.

This will never happen again. IF the conserative party ever forms a gov't again they will just be liberals in blue ties.

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u/Due_Reflection4094 Mar 20 '26

why?

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u/MindYourOpSec Mar 20 '26

Demographic change. There will be no election until 2029, and by then the millions of “new-Canadians” let in by the LPC will have citizenship.

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u/Equal-Ad-3757 Mar 21 '26

i'm "new canadian" i owned 10 guns and i voted conservatives, so did my other "new canadian" friends

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u/HandleOk5545 Apr 18 '26

Youre an exception to the rule, you dont prove the rule wrong.

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u/Lord_Stetson Mar 20 '26

Moreover, for all of the good noises Pollievre is making, he won't do anything. He will be the Canadian equivalent of Boris Johnson.

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u/CanadianGunNoob Mar 27 '26

In theory, grandfathering should still include monetary compensation for your estate when they seize the guns after your death. They are still seizing property. This is something that should be explored when it comes to handguns as well.

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u/CalibreMag Mar 19 '26

The Supreme Court is only going to rule on the legality of the OIC.

Whether or not we are entitled to compensation is a long-settled matter, and the reality is, we aren't.

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u/AntiNakedman Mar 19 '26

Unless you’re in Saskatchewan

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u/i-Hermit Mar 20 '26

God bless them.

Though I wouldn't be surprised to see the liberals amend the act to remove that wording if they get a majority.

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u/boozefiend3000 Mar 19 '26

If it did go that route I’m assuming it’d be the normal Canadian way, grandfathering. Why deal with this buyback headache shit again? 

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u/Lumindan Mar 19 '26

Just to be clear, grandfathering is a huge trap and they'd never issue it with use.

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u/OCTS-Toronto Mar 19 '26

Keep reminding people of this. Grandfathering sounds like a compromise but it won't be done in a reasonable way.

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u/boozefiend3000 Mar 19 '26

I know, I’m just saying that’s the route they’d go to keep them banned 

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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears Mar 19 '26

They will likely try to appeal, or ban through the appropriate legislative process. If the bans are null, the next step would be CPC and NDP to step up to block any reactionary bill in parliament

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u/boozefiend3000 Mar 19 '26

Gonna be hard to do now that the liberals have their majority 

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u/NecessaryRisk2622 Mar 19 '26

Their majority, which is also something that should be addressed in court due to the undemocratic way in which they achieved it.

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u/gamercast1337 Mar 19 '26

But they did pull 3 conservatives over, and since they would still represent the will of their districts they would vote with the CPC to shoot down any gun bans, right?

Right? They wouldnt lie to us about how their voting patterns would change, right?????

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u/Reasonable_Hall2346 Mar 20 '26

Of course because we all know we vote for the individual and not the party. MPs are independently thinking and voting based on their constituents desires and reasons they were elected /s.

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u/Dill_Pickle_Tears Mar 19 '26

They don’t have one yet. Still need two seats AFAIK

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u/boozefiend3000 Mar 19 '26

There’s 3 byelections in April. Two in liberal strongholds, he has his majority

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u/sounoriginal13 Mar 19 '26

Kind of like the supreme court decision on emergency act orders being unlawful. Twice. And furthermore it was Carneys idea to enact it anyways.

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u/BackToTheCottage Mar 21 '26

It's the LPC. It's kinda like Trump where rules just don't apply to them and they can do whatever they want.

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u/sounoriginal13 Mar 19 '26

Back? Where did it go

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u/weneedafuture Mar 19 '26

To the safe to collect dust. Not sure about you, but my firearms are for taking to the range...

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u/MidwinterBlue Mar 19 '26

As with so many others, bottom of an uncharted lake.

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u/weneedafuture Mar 19 '26

I want mine back too! Both of them even! I mean, if I have them...

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '26

If you already declared it, I hope not.

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u/Empty-Presentation68 Mar 19 '26

Well they are lining up to have a majority...