r/canadaguns • u/AutoModerator • Jan 29 '24

Weekly Politics Thread

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u/FunkyFrunkle Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 31 '24

The problem is that our charter of rights and freedoms was written by people who were more concerned about ruling a country, not living in it.

Unfortunately, what’s considered “reasonable” is either up to the government, or government appointed judges. The CCFR spent millions on taking the government to court that the OIC bans and the handgun freeze in particular was unreasonable according to the charter. The government lawyers brought no evidence. The judge ruled “It’s reasonable lol” and that was that.

Unless the charter has “shall not be infringed”, or something that explicitly states that firearm ownership is an inalienable right, anyone who tries to argue otherwise will be promptly laughed out of court along with another terrible precedent set.

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u/Substantial-Cash-834 on Jan 31 '24

Besides the wording of our laws being deliberately vague, We also have the lovely notwithstanding clause built into the charter. From my understanding it allows the government to override all of our civil rights if an emergency is deemed serious enough.

Everything is open for infringement given the opportunity and anyone who hasn’t realized that the past few years has their head buried in the sand (or up their own ass)

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u/classical_pistach Feb 01 '24

Also, Section 1, which states that rights can be limited by law as long as those limits can be demonstrated to be reasonable in a free and democratic society, presents a problem. The issue lies in the fact that it is the government that determines what is considered reasonable. This is problematic because many actions in society, while potentially having negative effects, may still be permitted. Essentially, this law grants the government the authority to decide which negative effects are less harmful to society, in their opinion. With different governments every approximately ten years and the presence of both new and seasoned judges, there is a risk of varied interpretations of what is reasonable or unreasonable.

The problem with canadas Constitution was it was created by Bureaucrats and had the goal of allowing governments to restrict the natural rights of its citizens.

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u/Substantial-Cash-834 on Feb 01 '24

By the state, for the state